[PGT] Senators defeat Flames in SO 4-3, Oct. 30th

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If they can trade Kadri, Coleman and Andersson for futures they should bottom out this year and next with back to back top 5 picks in the McKenna/Dupont drafts. Add that, plus the returns from the above trades and the Vegas pick, to the pretty solid prospect pool we already have, should start turning the corner back to contention by 2027/28.

That’s at least a couple years early. The guys we get in the next two drafts might not even be playing in the NHL in the 2027/28 season.

The Ducks are just starting to climb out of the basement, and that’s with:

#3 OA McTavish at D+4
#5 OA Gauthier at D+3
#10 OA Mintyukov at D+3
#2 OA Carlsson at D+2
#3 OA Sennecke at D+1

If the Flames land top-five picks in each of the next two drafts, in 27/28 one will be D+1 and the other will be D+0.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Is it really a tank if you’re playing your best players and the only person you lost from last season was the backup goalie?

They’re actually trying to win.

I’m not sure what you’re saying here. They traded away a bunch of their vets, and the rumours are that they’re looking at trading Rasmus and Kadri. Do you know how bad they’ll be without their top C and top pairing D?

Of course the players are always trying to win

I’m good with sucking for a few seasons is what I’m saying. I just worry about the impact on the young franchise goalie

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

What win percentage to draft 14OA?

.595 (42-28) using the average points since 32 team league.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s at least a couple years early. The guys we get in the next two drafts might not even be playing in the NHL in the 2027/28 season.

The Ducks are just starting to climb out of the basement, and that’s with:

#3 OA McTavish at D+4
#5 OA Gauthier at D+3
#10 OA Mintyukov at D+3
#2 OA Carlsson at D+2
#3 OA Sennecke at D+1

If the Flames land top-five picks in each of the next two drafts, in 27/28 one will be D+1 and the other will be D+0.

Shhhh. It'll be different for us.

Source: Trust me bro

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Shhhh. It'll be different for us.

Source: Trust me bro

Narrator: "It did not."

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s at least a couple years early. The guys we get in the next two drafts might not even be playing in the NHL in the 2027/28 season.

The Ducks are just starting to climb out of the basement, and that’s with:

#3 OA McTavish at D+4
#5 OA Gauthier at D+3
#10 OA Mintyukov at D+3
#2 OA Carlsson at D+2
#3 OA Sennecke at D+1

If the Flames land top-five picks in each of the next two drafts, in 27/28 one will be D+1 and the other will be D+0.

Wolf
Gridin
Zayne
Coronato
Reschny
Potter

I also see the Flames adding prospects in upcoming trades...Flames aren't starting from scratch

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I would prefer to wait until someone is actually willing to give up assets for them.

Sounds good to me. Maximizing the return for these guys should be the goal.

[Goriders]

If we are going to eventually start dumping vets to dive into the abyss and to develop young players. Another guy who I’m hoping gets some more playing time is Cooley. He’s not developing by playing 1 game a month.

Wolf doesn’t need to play 80 game either if we are getting 40 points this year.

I think Cooley has been great so far in the time he has had. In fact out of the new/young guys he has probably played the best. Relatively speaking.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s at least a couple years early. The guys we get in the next two drafts might not even be playing in the NHL in the 2027/28 season.

The Ducks are just starting to climb out of the basement, and that’s with:

#3 OA McTavish at D+4
#5 OA Gauthier at D+3
#10 OA Mintyukov at D+3
#2 OA Carlsson at D+2
#3 OA Sennecke at D+1

If the Flames land top-five picks in each of the next two drafts, in 27/28 one will be D+1 and the other will be D+0.

I would tend to agree with you that 27/28 is a little earlier but the Flames in 27/38 will have (not counting Wolf who is a bit of a game changer) will have the following who already look like they have top player potential

#13 OA Coronato - D+6
#9 OA Parekh - D+3
Gridin - D+3
Plus the future picks they get.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would tend to agree with you that 27/28 is a little earlier but the Flames in 27/28 will have (not counting Wolf who is a bit of a game changer) will have the following who already look like they have top player potential

#13 OA Coronato - D+6
#9 OA Parekh - D+3
Gridin - D+3
Plus the future picks they get.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but aside from Wolf and Coronato, none of the Flames prospects have proven anything at the NHL level.

And Coronato has been terrible this year.

Rebuilds take time, and even successful draft picks often take 3-4 years to start producing.

It's why getting a McKenna could make a big difference.

If (when?) Calgary trades Andersson, Kadri and Coleman, Calgary will really bottom out hard, and likely will still be bottoming out in 2 years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but aside from Wolf and Coronato, none of the Flames prospects have proven anything at the NHL level.

And Coronato has been terrible this year.

Rebuilds take time, and even successful draft picks often take 3-4 years to start producing.

It's why getting a McKenna could make a big difference.

If (when?) Calgary trades Andersson, Kadri and Coleman, Calgary will really bottom out hard, and likely will still be bottoming out in 2 years.

That is fair, for the fans who want to lose trading Rasmus and Weegar should ensure that we suck for a long time, probably through 29/30. So if the goal is losing, trading those two guys should accomplish that goal for the next 4-5 years. A McKenna won't change that in that scenario.

If the Flames end up keeping Weegar and use their mountain of cap space to try to sign a top 4 dman they could shorcircuit a long rebuild with a top 4 backend of Parekh, Weegar, Bahl and UFA signing, with Hunter B, Mews and potentially other draft picks being eased in. A McKenna probably does make a material difference in that scenario. The Sharks suck and will continue to suck for a couple more years because they really embraced having an ECHL quality backend.

[Vinny01]

It does feel inevitable right now the Flames are heading to several years of being st the bottom. With that said I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they make a run next year to the playoffs as we continue the yo-yo seasons that really started under Brad but have continued under Conroy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wolf
Gridin
Zayne
Coronato
Reschny
Potter

I also see the Flames adding prospects in upcoming trades...Flames aren't starting from scratch

Parekh and Wolf are the only players listed with elite upside. I mean it's possible one of these players pop but none are projected to as of now. A lot of NHL teams have a handful of prospects as good or better than that. It's not nearly good enough of a base to become a cup contender.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by heep223

I’m not sure what you’re saying here. They traded away a bunch of their vets, and the rumours are that they’re looking at trading Rasmus and Kadri. Do you know how bad they’ll be without their top C and top pairing D?

Of course the players are always trying to win

I’m good with sucking for a few seasons is what I’m saying. I just worry about the impact on the young franchise goalie

Just that the franchise isn’t trying to lose…yet.

Once Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman are gone and replaced with lesser salary heavy players (or nothing), then it’ll be a tank.

Right now? Its the same team as the trade deadline where we kept Andersson to try to make the playoffs. Anti-tank.

[Shazam]

I like how Huberdeau is part of the tank.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Is it really a tank if you’re playing your best players and the only person you lost from last season was the backup goalie?

They’re actually trying to win.

Then point me to a team you thought tanked.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Just that the franchise isn’t trying to lose…yet.

Once Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman are gone and replaced with lesser salary heavy players (or nothing), then it’ll be a tank.

Right now? Its the same team as the trade deadline where we kept Andersson to try to make the playoffs. Anti-tank.

There is no tank. The loss should come naturally, which is not hard with the current talent

The trades will come. Hopefully Conroy knows what he is doing…

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Then point me to a team you thought tanked.

The Leafs for Matthews - they would get rid of almost anyone that was helping them win.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by troutman

I really don’t think Kirkland should be our first option in shoot-outs.

But Kirkland is definitely your first option for value!!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

The Leafs for Matthews - they would get rid of almost anyone that was helping them win.

Yeah that was a clear tank.