Done with Consumer WiFi solutions...

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Josh

Yep, I work in the industry. Seen it too many times where unifi customers swap out their gear within two years for something from a reputable vendor.

It's downright criminal that in the US that E-rate funds are spent on that garbage in schools. The buyers remorse is almost instant.....

I'm not in the industry so I don't know the details like you would, but I was saying that Unifi/AmpliFi was adapted enterprise stuff (ie: Pro-sumer). I wasn't thinking it was true enterprise grade stuff for huge applications. I think it's good someone in the know like yourself is clarifying that it shouldn't be deployed in anything more than as a premium option in smaller applications.

I wouldn't doubt you for a second if you said that Unifi/AmpliFi stuff didn't hold a candle to true enterprise grade stuff. I'm basically saying that Unifi and AmpliFi is closer to enterprise grade stuff than consumer grade stuff in household deployments. It's also designed to be used by someone who kinda understands networking and mucks around with it, but not a full on network IT consultant calibre level understanding.

I feel like your comment about Unifi vs (true) Enterprise grade is the same one I have for Unifi/AmpliFi vs consumer grade.

[Josh]

Understood, there's just an annoying youtube/reddit cult following when it comes to unifi who think that its suitable for any environment.

Proper enterprise grade gear actually doesn't work great in houses when it comes to wireless as they have a smaller coverage area for larger deployments, to both reduce co-channel interference and be able properly handle all wireless devices on the network (design for capacity). A unifi AP will actually have more coverage, again good for homes, not so much for a business.

Unifi also under sizes their processors in their AP, to get the maximum speeds, they need to have some of their options turned off (deep packet inspection etc). They also don't follow standards (their AP's aren't wifi alliance certified) and their passive POE switches were known to catastrophically fail and fry all of your downstream equipment (servers/storage/camera's).

Again, fine for a home as they tend not to have complex networks nor require much segmentation. I'll give it to them that they have a nice dashboard.

[EldrickOnIce]

Maybe someone here can explain to me
Comcast customer until they doubled my monthly cost, when promo expired. Through my hardwired mesh setup I got 1 GB wired speeds and 750+ wireless speeds throughout the home. Switched back to T-Mobile 5g home internet and bought a Waveform 4x4 mimo antenna to boost signal speeds. I am getting a strong 750+ Mbps over mesh wifi but only ~150 Mbps over wired connection. This makes no sense to me. This is using exactly the same cabling as previous.

TLDR: Why would I have low hardwired speeds on mesh but good wireless speeds?

[ken0042]

150 is a bit of an odd number. I've seen it before when you get speeds just under 100 and that ends up being due to something failing over from GB to 100MB speeds. The 16 port switch I have in my house for some reason had a number of ports fail over to 100.

[indes]

I just finished drywalling my basement and only ran 1 cat 6 from my UDM SE to the office down there. Everything else will be wifi supplied by a U6 LR, hopefully I didn't #### myself over but since I went unifi my network has been rock solid and the wifi speeds are ~800mbs all around my house. We'll see if I have any regrets once its completely finished.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Maybe someone here can explain to me
Comcast customer until they doubled my monthly cost, when promo expired. Through my hardwired mesh setup I got 1 GB wired speeds and 750+ wireless speeds throughout the home. Switched back to T-Mobile 5g home internet and bought a Waveform 4x4 mimo antenna to boost signal speeds. I am getting a strong 750+ Mbps over mesh wifi but only ~150 Mbps over wired connection. This makes no sense to me. This is using exactly the same cabling as previous.

TLDR: Why would I have low hardwired speeds on mesh but good wireless speeds?

I'd check to see if a wire got crimped. If wifi is good, then it's wired card/wired transmission, termination of wires and damaged wires that I'd investigate.

[Shazam]

Also make sure you didn't QoS something.

[bossy22]

My Orbi mesh system has been acting up. It's constantly disconnecting now. I was wondering if anyone has tried MoCA adapters to use the coax in the house as network cable? We don't have cat5 installed, but we have a lot of coax we don't use.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by bossy22

My Orbi mesh system has been acting up. It's constantly disconnecting now. I was wondering if anyone has tried MoCA adapters to use the coax in the house as network cable? We don't have cat5 installed, but we have a lot of coax we don't use.

I haven't used MoCA, but I've used powerline. Both basically have a half-duplex operation to work. A mesh node that is doing wireless back haul in theory can suffer slow downs similar to half-duplex operation. Half duplex operation means that the unit can only send or receive and not both send and receive at the same time like Ethernet which is considered "full duplex". This is why it's recommended to do wired ethernet back haul for best performance. IMO MoCA and powerline should be considered last resorts for when it's not practical/possible to pull ethernet lines.

MoCA 2.0 for instance says 1 Gbps. But the nature of how MoCA or Power line works as half duplex means the listed speed is not the same 1Gbps as ethernet at full duplex. Instead, it basically is halved. I believe you'd need MoCA 2.5 at 2.5 Gbps to emulate an approximate 1 Gbps ethernet speed.

It's around $150+ for a pair of Moca 2.5 adapters at a functional speed of around 1 Gbps. It's around $40-60 for a 200 ft Cat6 ethernet cable that can go up to 10 Gbps.

[Fuzz]

The reality is most people don't need anything near those speeds though. Depends what you are doing of course. But just watching online videos and internet stuff is fine with far lower speeds. Netflix only recommends 15Mbps or higher for 4k. Apple says 25Mbps. As long as it's a stable connection you really don't need to go overboard.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The reality is most people don't need anything near those speeds though. Depends what you are doing of course. But just watching online videos and internet stuff is fine with far lower speeds. Netflix only recommends 15Mbps or higher for 4k. Apple says 25Mbps. As long as it's a stable connection you really don't need to go overboard.

I think that's the key though... stable connection. For many people, when the speed test shows <50 Mbps, it often is heavily due to interference, instability, hardware heating or other issues or something that makes even loading websites a crappy experience. I remember being in my old home and speed test showing 20-60 Mbps, but websites wouldn't load for 20-30 seconds. The connection isn't stable.

I'm also saying that depending on the situation, I don't know if it makes sense to spend $100-150 for a single MoCA pair vs buying a super long cable with similar performance for a fraction of the price at $20-50 a 100-200ft cable. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.

The benefits to a MoCA cable is that it's easily reversible and tidy without the effort of fishing/hiding cables. If the units overheat like I experienced with power line adapters, they can become unstable and drop connection too. Then you're out money buying another pair. Comparatively to ethernet, it can be pricey and has limitations compared to untidy ethernet cables. Pros and cons.

[Fuzz]

Ya, it's definitely going to depend on situation.