There is a lot of daylight between Carney saying "This isn't prefect, it can be improved", and PP saying "This is completely broken and needs to be completely torn down"
But subtlety, nuance, or even good policy aren't exactly the forte of the CPC or PP right now.
I’m ok with what Carney is doing. It’s others who are not.
Mark Carney is basically a Stephan Harper conservative. Change my mind.
That wasn't really a secret going in. I mean, Harper wanted Carney in the Conservative government... that could have just been because Carney is very capable but it could also signal that Carney would be a good fit in a Conservative government?
What is curious to me is that Trudeau also was actively seeking Carney out to bring him into the Liberal party... is that because Carney is very capable and has a great resume or is it because Carney is not as Conservative as Harper?
Personally, I think the problem is that Carney is very capable and more Corporatist than Conservative or Liberal (which works for both the Conservatives and the Liberals as they are both very corporatist parties) and in either case, we needed him to win and block PP.
This really just speaks to the main problem with Canadian federal politics for the last decade: It isn't the fact that Trudeau did or didn't do something, the problem is the dumpster fire that is the CPC. Sheer, O'Toole, and PP are all horrible politicians and are a large reason that Trudeau was PM for as long as he was. If the CPC was a reasonable party instead of Maple Maga then Canadians would be okay with them forming government.
I am hoping that we soon see Carney's more progressive side... we have seen a lot of the conservative and corporatist parts of him shine through but we have not yet seen anything about his "green" policies or progressive moves that you might think he might push on. Hopefully these things are all waiting in the wings while he is prioritizing "bigger" issues to go ahead first.
However, I think the real answer for Canadians is that we are going to need to support the rise of a new NDP that can give us an option to vote for aside from "Right-Center Liberals" and "Bat#### crazy right CPC".
The most hilarious thing is Pieerre polleyever who prob has a C- in ECON201 from the U of C, trying to tell Carney how to table the budget! hahaha
I mean... PP is a joke of himself at this point. He simply can't get over the fact that Trudeau has moved on without him and now he is diving headfirst into the Trump playbook in suggesting that his political opponents should be jailed.
How dumb is this guy (or how dumb does he think his supporters are)? He thought that because he said it on a right wing rag of a podcast that the rest of us wouldn't find out about it and then play the clip back to him and ask him about exactly what his words were. The joke just keeps building:
Also, what a hypocrite. The RCMP should investigate his conflicts of interest starting with the CPC leadership race foreign interference that made him leader of the party and then look into his conflict of interest with Shopify and how his wife is getting free office space from Shopify for her silly little charity.
That’s right. I think it’s a waste of money and just pandering to quell the CPC base. I guess that’s the price to keep some people from whining. Shrug.
Interesting ad hominem attack on the various Premiers of Canada. You say they are part of say what now? Eby and Legault? Nevermind the various mayors across Canada including Vancouver and Winnipeg even just this week.
And ####, you mean the vast majority, more than 75%+ of Canadians are what now? (It's a pretty clear consensus across all party lines, why the governing federal party specifically had it as an election promise with strong support)
Man, even the "CPC" Mayor of Brampton needs to be pandered to and quelled too today!
Mother of 4 murdered by another person out on bail with lengthy criminal history just yesterday. Gunned down in a parking lot yesterday. Thankfully the killer wasn't able to kill the 17 month old child too.
Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown says the killing of Savannah Kulla, a 29-year-old mother who was shot dead in a Brampton parking lot this week, is proof Canada’s bail system is “failing” victims.
In a press conference Thursday afternoon, Brown, alongside Peel Regional Police Supt. David Kennedy, said the accused, Anthony DeShepper, who shot and killed Kulla should never have been out on bail given his violent history.
“Our system has failed Savannah Kulla,” said Brown, who is renewing calls for urgent bail reform after the tragedy.
“This tragedy was predictable and preventable.”
While police and SIU continue to investigate the tragedy, the spotlight has now fallen on Desheppers’ violent past and has raised questions on his bail release.
“Clearly, his release posed a significant risk to Savannah and others in our community,” Kennedy said.
Kennedy confirmed that DeShepper had an “extensive criminal past” that included robbery, assault and weapons offences, and that he was bound by several court orders not to contact Kulla or possess firearms.
Brown said Brampton was one of the first cities to petition for stricter bail rules, including reverse-onus for repeat violent offenders and zero tolerance for breaches of weapons prohibitions.
If the CPC has gone off the deep end down the extreme-right Trump/MAGA rabbit hole and won't change, then it's time for right-of-centre progressive conservatives to start a new party and bring lost PC voters home and give an option to CPC members who want that as well. It will split the right vote in the short-term, but long-term it would bring sanity and credibility back to the conservative side of the spectrum.
Carney has already taken that space and there's no longer enough right if centre PCs remaining to form a party of any significance.
Many have gone off the far right deep end, the small amount remaining can just get on board with the current government.
There was an opportunity to win all of the centre votes when Trudeau was doing his thing, but they missed it and Carney took it. The CPC really fumbled it on the 1 yard line.
And ####, you mean the vast majority, more than 75%+ of Canadians are what now? (It's a pretty clear consensus across all party lines, why the governing federal party specifically had it as an election promise with strong support)
Lay's just released a stat that 42% of people don't know potato chips are made of potatoes, so public opinion being heavily one way doesn't mean it's necessarily correct, even if it does drive policy.
Before the moral panic going on now, the bail system was seen as being too onerous in Canada both by experts and the public and bail reform recommendations were focused on streamlining the process.
And there's good evidence to support that. Over 70% of the prison population is people currently people being held pre-trial (it was under 20% in the '80s) and the number of people being held on remand is significantly higher than in the past. Here's the rate per 100K of population of people being held in remand (either awaiting bail determination or being denied bail):
So despite current violent crime rates being significantly below the levels of the '80s and '90s, the rate of people being in remand is 2-4x higher than it was back then. And even recent history has shown that getting out on bail is tougher than before. In Ontario (which has the best data), the rate of people who were being detained after a bail hearing was about 33% higher in 2024 than it was nearly a decade before.
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The held in remand stats aren't showing what you are arguing it is (and quite frankly I find your position and use of held in remand data on this rather peculiar as there is little data available on bail statistics outright to even support your claim or try to make a claim).
The objective of a criminal court system is the just and timely determination of every case that comes before it. However, the Canadian justice system is taking longer to resolve adult criminal cases. The mean elapsed time from first to last court appearance is continuing a long-term trend toward increased duration[1]. Moreover, increases in elapsed times appear to have accelerated in the past four years. Overall, the elapsed time in the average case increased from 137 days ten years ago to 226 days in 2003/04. The mean processing time for the least complex cases, those with a single charge, increased from 121 to 215 days during the same period, while the processing time for multiple charge cases increased from 157 days to 236 days.
We have more people being held on remand because of significant inefficiencies in the trial system significantly delaying trial dates. To use the held in remand data and try to link it to the bail process as evidence of the bail process being more stringent is deliberately misleading.
In fact, going further, the study went on to show the exact opposite of your claims and showing a significant increase of bail related violations.
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As the number of court appearances increase, so to does the possibility that the bailed accused will fail to appear as required or otherwise breach his terms of release. In 2003/04, failure to comply with a court order was the fourth most frequently occurring offence in Canada.[9] Administration of Justice offences, which include failure to comply with a court order, have steadily increased their share of the caseload over the past ten years. This offence group accounted for 19% of all cases in 2003/04, versus 16% five years ago, and 14% ten years ago.[10]
So while bail violations may be more of a side effect of lengthy trial cases versus lenient bail decisions, it still shows that significant reform is needed, especially in light of very publicized failures that has enraged the public. In the end, government and policies is a fabrication of the society that shapes them and what is correct is shaped by society (for better or worse).
*And as I understand the report is fairly old, here is more recent trial case data for median Adult criminal courts which shows significant deterioration and longer trial date times since 2015. Certainly covid played a factor for the recent numbers, but the system certainly has not gotten better as claimed.
If a company that gets federal grants decides to move production to foreign areas, IMO the company assets should be nationalized to recoup the gov grant + punitive interest.
Canada Motor Corporation is better than nothing.
Not necessarily a follow up to your specific comment but I saw that the government is going to tariff vehicles that Stellantis and GM bring up to Canada for sale as a retaliation move against the recent decisions of those companies.
Taxpayer money was given to these companies by the government and the companies didn't live up to their end of the deal and because of this the government now wants taxpayers to also pay for this investment decision but subjecting buyers to a new tax/tariff. This is great work by the government.
If the CPC has gone off the deep end down the extreme-right Trump/MAGA rabbit hole and won't change, then it's time for right-of-centre progressive conservatives to start a new party and bring lost PC voters home and give an option to CPC members who want that as well. It will split the right vote in the short-term, but long-term it would bring sanity and credibility back to the conservative side of the spectrum.
Historically, and based on contemporary politics elsewhere, I think this will not happen.
Lets not sugarcoat it. Most politicians are spineless wieners, searching for some modicum of power and relevance while leeching off same to secure some cushy position when they inevitably tire of their "hard" jobs.
Maybe this has always been the case, but i think we have seen a degradation of politicians over the last few decades. Way too many career politicians and/or career party hangers-on.
Do you think some CPC MP in rural Ontario is going to have the balls to give that up for his principles? 80% of the MPs and MLAs arent there for their principles anyway.
Taxpayer money was given to these companies by the government and the companies didn't live up to their end of the deal and because of this the government now wants taxpayers to also pay for this investment decision but subjecting buyers to a new tax/tariff. This is great work by the government.
People can choose to buy vehicles from companies not actively effing us over.
They made a choice, and so can we.
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Is there any indication that he's muzzling or otherwise putting limits on disclosure of findings by scientists that are inconvenient? Or limiting / directing health funding based on ideology?
The better comparison would seem to be a Paul Martin Liberal but maybe there is someone with a more detailed historical perspective who can correct that.
Yes, the comparison is that he is a return to Chrétien/Martin era Liberalism. Under Harper the Cons did not really believe in science, that has obviously increased under PP. The only similarity to Harper is that Carney is talking about the economy. Harper took a different approach though, his investment was through basically a 18-20 billion dollar a year goods and services tax cut. Not sure that was a precise year over year type of government action that spurs on investment and economic growth but that was Harper’s big thing.
Carney’s thing appears to be government investment in defence and other sectors to create economic growth.
I wish we had Trudeau's "most transparent government" back:
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Prime Minister Mark Carney’s government has turned to the decades-old model to spearhead its efforts to strengthen Canada’s economy in the face of the tariff war launched by U.S. President Donald Trump. Three new special operating agencies — Build Canada Homes, the Defence Investment Agency and the Major Projects Office — will be responsible for helping decide how to spend billions of dollars and advance projects.
The government argues that SOAs can be more flexible and move faster.
Until recently, there were only a dozen of them. With the exception of the Canadian Coast Guard, most are small, lower profile and focus on niche areas such as measurement, heritage or translation. They are housed within federal departments and report to ministers and deputy ministers.
However, in the case of Carney’s new agencies, exactly how each of them will work is in part shrouded in secrecy.
They have to follow many of the same rules as the government departments that house them, but they also benefit from exceptions to those rules — and have performance targets that are outlined in each agency’s framework agreement and business plan.
A federal Treasury Board website from the late 1990s, a time when the government had set up more than a dozen SOAs, says that the key part of accountability for the agencies are their framework agreements.
“The framework document and the business plan are central to SOA accountability,” says the archived Treasury Board website. “On one hand, the framework document sets out the agency mission and its relationships with other parties. On the other, the business plan represents a detailed performance contract between the department and SOA management that is renewed annually.”
The site says that framework documents “are generally treated as public documents and are made available, on request, to any Canadian.”
However, attempts by CBC News over the past couple of weeks to obtain copies of the framework documents for the three agencies created by Carney’s government have been unsuccessful.
I still think we should just take over the plants. #### american auto companies, they have routinely suckled off the teet of the Canadian tax payer while the overwhelming profit transfers south of our border. Time to make Canadian cars for Canadians. Maybe we start exporting to europe or something. We have the skilled labor, and the resources to do this. Just start taking over factories of american companies who are taking part in this trade war against Canada. You want to be belligerents? We can be belligerent with you too.
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We have an at home market of 40 million. We retain relatively barrier free trade with the EU, Japan, and South Korea. That's a reasonable market place for companies to play in without needing americans.
I still think we should just take over the plants. #### american auto companies, they have routinely suckled off the teet of the Canadian tax payer while the overwhelming profit transfers south of our border. Time to make Canadian cars for Canadians. Maybe we start exporting to europe or something. We have the skilled labor, and the resources to do this. Just start taking over factories of american companies who are taking part in this trade war against Canada. You want to be belligerents? We can be belligerent with you too.
I don’t think it’s that simple. Who is the “We” in We should take over the plants?
