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Old 10-28-2025, 02:43 PM   #10861
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Isn’t the sentiment that Hague for kadri straight across isn’t equal? Everyone has a price and I haven’t seen anywhere that Hague isn’t untouchable.
Of course he isn't untouchable but the overpay we are talking about because the Habs absolutely love the player is going to be detrimental. We are not talking Kadri plus Vegas 1st. Nobody is untouchable if you offer something ridiculous.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:46 PM   #10862
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Why does Craig have to say "yes" to that question under any circumstances?


Edit: or "no".
I don't know what the rules of engagement are, but it would be strange to me if GMs aren't up front about these things.
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I don't know what the rules of engagement are, but it would be strange to me if GMs aren't up front about these things.

Just say yes to every GM that asks if they are on Naz's go to list, and see what the offers are.


When you trade Naz to another team instead of taking an offer that is not on his trade list, just say you liked the other offer better.


The only GM that has ever done Calgary a solid was Zito. He could have had GMBT over a barrel and sent quantity and quality back.


All the other GMs can get bent. Especially Vegas, Toronto and Montreal.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:58 PM   #10864
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Personally ... I think that ship has sailed.

I don't think this gets as public as it has, and for as long as it has, if Kadri has indicated to the Flames that he doesn't want to go.

I think he's on board now and helping to grease the skids.
All the pundits I’ve heard have emphasized that there’s no indication that Kadri is on the trading block. The surge in speculation is driven by the Flames’ terrible start, and given a boost by the revelation that the 13-team NTC kicked in this year, not next. I don’t think this is being driven by Kadri or his camp.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:59 PM   #10865
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Hopefully by the TDL all of Kadri, Rasmus and Coleman are traded and the Flames have 3 to 6 more picks because of it. And hopefully their own pick is firmly entrenched in the top 5 range.

The Flames slow start due to a murderers row schedule may have been a gift. However, if CC doesn't capitalize the window might close on bottoming out here because the Flames aren't this bad and could easily go on a run back to the middle of the pack. Less likely that happens of those three players have been traded.
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Old 10-28-2025, 03:25 PM   #10866
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The problem is you can't overpay for a player the team has no interest in moving.
I'm very aware of that. My point was I would overpay for a player that we feel would be the solution to our problem.
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Old 10-28-2025, 03:26 PM   #10867
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Personally ... I think that ship has sailed.

I don't think this gets as public as it has, and for as long as it has, if Kadri has indicated to the Flames that he doesn't want to go.

I think he's on board now and helping to grease the skids.
This logically seems right to me.

But I did listen to Steinberg on Monday and he made it sound like Flames would wait for Kadri to initiate the conversation and until then, it is mainly buzz and innuendo. He prefaced that with "what he was hearing".

Here is an excerpt from the transcript:

“So here's the other thing that I think is really important when talking about. And we're kind of getting out in front of a story because I think it's going to hit the national news cycle on Tuesday because Nazem's in Toronto and because the flames are playing the Maple Leafs to start off this road trip. But the other thing I think is really important here is, and I've been told this repeatedly now, I still think any type of trade conversation surrounding Nazem Kadri needs to be initiated by Kadri and his camp because as Elliotte said in that clip, this guy is still 100% committed to turning things around with this team, with the Calgary Flames, with the team that he is one of the leaders of, that you could make a very, very salient argument that he is the straw that stirs this team's drink more than anybody else inside that locker room."

That is just his take. And while Kadri is important to this version of the team, we are not talking about some franchise icon. I would hope Flames are more proactive.
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Of course he isn't untouchable but the overpay we are talking about because the Habs absolutely love the player is going to be detrimental. We are not talking Kadri plus Vegas 1st. Nobody is untouchable if you offer something ridiculous.
What is more detrimental, overpay for a solution or never finding the solution? I would argue the latter is more detrimental than the former.
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Old 10-28-2025, 03:44 PM   #10869
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What is more detrimental, overpay for a solution or never finding the solution? I would argue the latter is more detrimental than the former.
‘Never’ is a long, long time. I'd rather lean into a lost season and find a lasting solution next year than waste resources by overpaying for a quick fix now.
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Old 10-28-2025, 03:47 PM   #10870
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‘Never’ is a long, long time. I'd rather lean into a lost season and find a lasting solution next year than waste resources by overpaying for a quick fix now.
If we could acquire Hage, it is not a short term fix, it's a bullet in the chamber at centre ice, that might pay off in 2-5 years.

Sure, never was a strong word, but at some point a rebuild needs to be rebuilt again when there is a failure to find the right pieces. See the obvious teams for examples.
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Old 10-28-2025, 03:50 PM   #10871
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If we could acquire Hage, it is not a short term fix, it's a bullet in the chamber at centre ice, that might pay off in 2-5 years.

Sure, never was a strong word, but at some point a rebuild needs to be rebuilt again when there is a failure to find the right pieces. See the obvious teams for examples.
When you're sitting in 32nd place and still selling off veterans, it's silly to say the rebuild is a failure. They're just finishing the tear-down stage, for crying out loud. They haven't even started building for you to judge the results.
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Old 10-28-2025, 03:53 PM   #10872
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Agreed. I feel like Rescney has a similar upside as Hage and it’s very hard to get a team’s top prospect at anytime but almost impossible when the asset we are offering as the centerpiece is a 35 year old.
I don't. Hage is a solid step or two above, IMO.
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So, what's the delta in Kadri for Hage value?

- Hoskins?
- Honzek?
- Suniev?
- Mews?
- Potter?
- Brzu?
- Gridin?
- Reschny?
- Parekh?
- Coronato?

I wouldn't do Coronato, Reschny or Parekh with Kadri, but I'm interested in people's thoughts.
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I don't. Hage is a solid step or two above, IMO.
What makes you say that? I admittedly don’t watch either player but reading the scouting reports and looking at their stats in their draft year it seems like Reschny is equally as impressive.

Hage had a nice ppg rookie season in the NCAA and is killing it now. He is a year older but genuinely interested in why he is a couple steps ahead?
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Old 10-28-2025, 04:09 PM   #10875
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So talking about untouchable prospects and how to chip them loose... You obviously need to feel the pain.

Kadri + Gridin for Hage
Andersson + Gridin for Iginla
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Old 10-28-2025, 04:10 PM   #10876
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So, what's the delta in Kadri for Hage value?

- Hoskins?
- Honzek?
- Suniev?
- Mews?
- Potter?
- Brzu?
- Gridin?
- Reschny?
- Parekh?
- Coronato?

I wouldn't do Coronato, Reschny or Parekh with Kadri, but I'm interested in people's thoughts.

I would personally rather target other assets rather than attach pieces to try and acquire another teams prospect.

The Habs view Hage like we view Reschny ideally as a future 2C. He has done very well in the NCAA to appear to still have that upside where we are a year behind with Cole.

I would much rather get the Habs 26 1st (hopefully +) rather than trade say Kadri and Suniev for Hage
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Old 10-28-2025, 04:11 PM   #10877
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Yeah, Gridin is hard to pry away in my mind. He's definitely a top size winger, perhaps as soon as next year. Hage is behind him.
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So talking about untouchable prospects and how to chip them loose... You obviously need to feel the pain.

Kadri + Gridin for Hage
Andersson + Gridin for Iginla
What?!?! I am not sure I trade Gridin for Hage one for one let alone add Kadri.

I do the Iggy trade though but I am full of bias there
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Yeah, Gridin is hard to pry away in my mind. He's definitely a top size winger, perhaps as soon as next year. Hage is behind him.
Hage is a center. That really increases his value over a winger.
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Old 10-28-2025, 04:23 PM   #10880
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Nope as good as Hage's starts been, Gridin's been even more impressive in the AHL, so I'm not adding him.

No guarantee Hage is a center in the NHL - lots of centers move to wing.
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