I would love to see a recall for every single UCP MLA, but I think it's going to be pretty much impossible to achieve even one. We just saw an unprecedented effort to get 456k signatures on a very unifying issue, which is about 26% of the votes cast in the last general (and about 15% of eligible voters). So 60% is gonna be so hard.
Even narrow margin ridings with low turnout:
Calgary-East: 44% turnout; UCP won 7123-6425; 8,593 required for recalls = 27% of the 32,250 eligible voters last time
Calgary-North: 57% turnout; UCP 7,927-7,798; 9,503 required = 34% of the 27900 eligible
But all three of these have been UCP for the last two terms.
As was Calgary Bow: 66% turnout; UCP 13,175-12,552; 16,006 required = 40% of 40,159 eligible
It might be better to direct our energy towards another citizen's initiative. Perhaps one for a public inquiry into the MHCare scandal, and another demanding a general election accompany any use of the NWC. Sadly I think both of these will fly over most people's heads compared to Forever Canadian.
I dunno, successful or not, having a recall petition for as many UCP members as possible serves to make a mockery of the recall system and embarrass the government. Which is a good thing.
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I dunno, successful or not, having a recall petition for as many UCP members as possible serves to make a mockery of the recall system and embarrass the government. Which is a good thing.
For sure. I love how much it bothered Nicolaides. I just wanted to run the math out loud and the conclusion was depessing.
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A quick google says there are about 16k house holds. A lot of people will be home or on the streets on Halloween. If they had they canvassers That would be a good a decent 2 prong attack for signatures.
I would love to see a recall for every single UCP MLA, but I think it's going to be pretty much impossible to achieve even one. We just saw an unprecedented effort to get 456k signatures on a very unifying issue, which is about 26% of the votes cast in the last general (and about 15% of eligible voters). So 60% is gonna be so hard.
Even narrow margin ridings with low turnout:
Calgary-East: 44% turnout; UCP won 7123-6425; 8,593 required for recalls = 27% of the 32,250 eligible voters last time
Calgary-North: 57% turnout; UCP 7,927-7,798; 9,503 required = 34% of the 27900 eligible
But all three of these have been UCP for the last two terms.
As was Calgary Bow: 66% turnout; UCP 13,175-12,552; 16,006 required = 40% of 40,159 eligible
It might be better to direct our energy towards another citizen's initiative. Perhaps one for a public inquiry into the MHCare scandal, and another demanding a general election accompany any use of the NWC. Sadly I think both of these will fly over most people's heads compared to Forever Canadian.
I think you are underestimating how unifying an issue it is that the government is willing to revoke our rights. Doug Ford tried it and reversed course quickly at the backlash. The UCP won't reverse course unless we make them and the best way to do that is to recall as many of them as possible.
Any Freedum Convoy tard should be up in arms right now that people have lost their rights. Any regular person who is "too busy to keep up on the issues" should be waking up right now to see their government cross a line that shouldn't be crossed. Any self-proclaimed progressive should be putting on their jacket and boots to get ready to take action and blaze the trail for others to join in.
Yes, it looks like it is going to be hard work to recall any one of these people. It will be even harder work to recall 7 or 8 of them. But the reward for trying is that we could topple a corrupt and evil government and show that democracy is worth fighting for. Bonus points, we can show the country that Albertans are not all conservative lapdogs who will roll over for any party wearing blue.
Otherwise you are already living in the fascist state.
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I'm not able to be an organizer, but I would certainly be willing to canvas on a Yaseen recall petition, if anyone here in Calgary North is involved in it, please PM. I will help
I've emailed him that I need him and 3 of his collogues to stand up for Canadian and conservative principals, by putting a stop to this government. Not only put a stop the attack on Canadian charter rights. But also anti-conservative policies like the casual corruption gifting our health care dollars to their friends and family, and the poorly thought out policy leading the government lose legal settlements to corporations, as well as the anti-industry policy driving non-O&G investment out of this province. We need the conservatives to be lead by a conservative, not Smith.
I think one thing to keep in mind here when getting to the signiture phase is that there will be people who support teachers being legislated back to work. The key here is not to argue against that but instead to accept it and explain that it is very reasonable to think that but where the UCP crossed the line was using the notwithstanding clause to remove rights instead of legislating back to work through normal means and going to binding arbitration.
The issue is the gross overstepping and abuse of powers and suspension of rights when there were viable other options. So not debating people about teachers or wages or vacation is important.
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I think you are underestimating how unifying an issue it is that the government is willing to revoke our rights. Doug Ford tried it and reversed course quickly at the backlash. The UCP won't reverse course unless we make them and the best way to do that is to recall as many of them as possible.
Any Freedum Convoy tard should be up in arms right now that people have lost their rights. Any regular person who is "too busy to keep up on the issues" should be waking up right now to see their government cross a line that shouldn't be crossed. Any self-proclaimed progressive should be putting on their jacket and boots to get ready to take action and blaze the trail for others to join in.
Yes, it looks like it is going to be hard work to recall any one of these people. It will be even harder work to recall 7 or 8 of them. But the reward for trying is that we could topple a corrupt and evil government and show that democracy is worth fighting for. Bonus points, we can show the country that Albertans are not all conservative lapdogs who will roll over for any party wearing blue.
Otherwise you are already living in the fascist state.
That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.
No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.
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That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.
No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.
Who are these people you speak of who live to convey? What are they conveying?
That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.
No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM B.
You are wrong.
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That’s an interesting take on the convey people (calling them tards I guess is ok). The hypocrisy makes me smile. When the convey people called the vaccine mandatory virtually everyone here fiercely denied it. When they said “I’ll lose my job, my kid can’t go to daycare, and I can’t travel” the universal response was it was still a choice and not mandatory.
No teachers have lost any rights. Nothing is stopping them from staying on strike. If they disagree and are principled they should stay on strike. As far as a fascist state, the constitution was negotiated by elected premiers. They put in a notwithstanding clause in the constitution. This clause can and has been used for labour disputes. The UCP was democratically elected and in negotiating with a union used all the tools in their democratically obtained toolbox. No ones rights have been trampled. Take your 12% raise and be happy, or stay on strike, or move.
Is the smile kind of a vacant, simple one?
Perhaps it’d be worthwhile figuring out what the purpose of the notwithstanding clause is before commenting considering the fact that just invoking it invalidates your entire position lol.
“Guys, the government included a clause that allows them to violate charter rights without the supreme court striking it down, which is the express and only purpose of that clause, but no rights are being violated.”
So dumb it’s kind of shocking.
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these recalls, even if failing, will motivate voters too in the next election as well. So even if unsuccessful, it can still be ultimately successful. I am proud of Albertan again with the forever petition, I was an early signer but a skeptic with how much apathy is it there... maybe not as much as I thought
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