10-28-2025, 01:45 PM
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#10841
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Yeah, Aarongavey specifically mentioned that:
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I think they wanted Jankowski the whole time, evcen without trading down.
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10-28-2025, 01:45 PM
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#10842
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
Frank says Kadri for Michael Hage is too much from the Habs
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I would be willing to overpay if we feel Hage has the potential we are looking for.
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10-28-2025, 01:50 PM
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#10843
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne
Is there anyone NOT wanting to ship out Ras, Kadri and Coleman?
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Don't even need to "fleece" the other team either. Get decent returns and it helps rebuild plus gets young guys into those positions more appropriately.
Huberdeau - Frost - Coronato
Gridin - Zary - Sharangovich (uh, not great but worth a shot?)
Honzek - Backlund - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka
Kirkland
Bahl - Weegar
Hanley - Parekh
Bean - Brz
If super adventurous:
Huberdeau - Pospisil - Klapka
Gridin - Zary - Coronato
Honzek - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Backlund - Sharangovich
Kirkland
Kuznetsov - Weegar
Bahl - Parekh
Hanley - Bean
Not sure how much we'd win but would be fun to see IMO
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10-28-2025, 01:55 PM
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#10844
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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^ we'd surely have to take some roster players back, so there'd still be some guys in the way. But you're on the right track.
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10-28-2025, 01:55 PM
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#10845
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I think there are a couple differences
- I think Hage is a better prospect
- The Avs are 100% in championship mode with their current core. So they are far more willing to trade a top prospect than the Habs, where they are entering their window, but not yet to the point where they will start to leverage that type of prospect capital to augment the team.
I would go after Zharovsky from the Habs though he's having an unreal KHL season so that may not be possible. But he's a winger, and somewhat under-sized, which they already have a lot of. So maybe he's on the table.
I would guess that Montreal is throwing around names like Owen Beck and Josh Roy. Can you get one of those names to be Zharovsky instead? Maybe
Personally Zharovsky + 1st would be a home run.
I would take Zharovsky + 2nd all day and all night.
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Meh, I would let Montreal sweat it out. Kadri is probably the best fit available for them in the market. If they're not willing to talk Hage at all then we should trade him somewhere else.
I'm easily willing to accept Hage has more value straight across. But I want to know what the + to Kadri is rather than talking about other prospects. Owen Beck and Roy do nothing for us. Zharovsky is good but more of the same in our pool.
There will be other teams interested in Kadri too. Negotiating using one team's prospect pool is limiting. We can argue someone else into giving us a better prospect than Beck or Roy, so we should reject that entirely as the basis for negotiations.
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10-28-2025, 01:57 PM
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#10846
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Franchise Player
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There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
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10-28-2025, 01:59 PM
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#10847
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Honestly I'd take Hage + more of a cap dump and not even need the additional first.
Hage looks like he could be a top 6 center.
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10-28-2025, 02:00 PM
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#10848
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
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Wouldn't he have already had to do that since the list's been submitted innit? He's not scratching out names in pencil right now I don't reckon
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10-28-2025, 02:01 PM
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#10849
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
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If Kadri or his agent communicate this in any way to the acquiring teams, it would be tampering by my understanding.
In theory, this would mean the limit on his value only applies to us, but there's nothing saying that we can't negotiate (perhaps in bad faith) with many teams to drive up the price even if we have no intention or ability to trade him to said team.
So, yes, but this should impact his value less than, say Rasmus Andersson, where the signing of the subsequent contract gives opportunity for acquiring teams to better understand player future intentions/desires.
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10-28-2025, 02:02 PM
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#10850
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
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Still think for Kadri it comes down to how much he's interested in trying to win a cup. Some guys have a lot of drive for that, others don't seem to.
If he's content with the likelihood of not winning one in Calgary, and his family's happy in Calgary, then he'll do what he can as far as his contract terms to stay here.
If he'd like to chase one, his list he'd accept should be playoff teams/contenders... which can still make it tricky to move him, but far from impossible.
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10-28-2025, 02:15 PM
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#10851
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
Wouldn't he have already had to do that since the list's been submitted innit? He's not scratching out names in pencil right now I don't reckon
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Yes my point was only that how he constructed the list could severely limit Conroy's options.
For instance he doesn't have to put teams on the list that are:
- Not in a window of contention (e.g. San Jose)
- Don't have the cap room to take him on (though they could send cap back).
He would construct his list to include teams that have both the means and interest to acquire, but where he doesn't want to go.
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10-28-2025, 02:16 PM
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#10852
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
If Kadri or his agent communicate this in any way to the acquiring teams, it would be tampering by my understanding.
In theory, this would mean the limit on his value only applies to us, but there's nothing saying that we can't negotiate (perhaps in bad faith) with many teams to drive up the price even if we have no intention or ability to trade him to said team.
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Wouldn't the other team simply ask Craig if they are on Kadri's no trade list or not? That would be the first question I ask before engaging in meaningful talks.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
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10-28-2025, 02:19 PM
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#10853
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Why does Craig have to say "yes" to that question under any circumstances?
Edit: or "no".
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10-28-2025, 02:30 PM
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#10854
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moncton golden flames
I would be willing to overpay if we feel Hage has the potential we are looking for.
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The problem is you can't overpay for a player the team has no interest in moving.
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10-28-2025, 02:37 PM
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#10855
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Hage is definitely preferable, but I think Kapanen could be an interesting piece and is probably alot easier to convince them to move.
1st + Kapanen is something I would be interested in.
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10-28-2025, 02:38 PM
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#10856
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Aug 2020
Exp: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
The problem is you can't overpay for a player the team has no interest in moving.
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Isn’t the sentiment that Hague for kadri straight across isn’t equal? Everyone has a price and I haven’t seen anywhere that Hague isn’t untouchable.
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10-28-2025, 02:38 PM
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#10857
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Honestly I'd take Hage + more of a cap dump and not even need the additional first.
Hage looks like he could be a top 6 center.
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There's always a premium attached to a guy like Hage.
I'd just as soon do a deal strictly for picks rather than complicate it. Find our own Hage.
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10-28-2025, 02:40 PM
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#10858
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Icon
Still think for Kadri it comes down to how much he's interested in trying to win a cup. Some guys have a lot of drive for that, others don't seem to.
If he's content with the likelihood of not winning one in Calgary, and his family's happy in Calgary, then he'll do what he can as far as his contract terms to stay here.
If he'd like to chase one, his list he'd accept should be playoff teams/contenders... which can still make it tricky to move him, but far from impossible.
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Personally ... I think that ship has sailed.
I don't think this gets as public as it has, and for as long as it has, if Kadri has indicated to the Flames that he doesn't want to go.
I think he's on board now and helping to grease the skids.
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10-28-2025, 02:41 PM
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#10859
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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I feel like none of us have paid attention to Conroy's trade history. Even when he got a haul from Vancouver for Lindholm it didn't include any of the marquee name(s) that were bandied about.
Tanev was supposed to get a great return. Hanifin, well that was its own story.
Markstrom? Now Andersson, even though thats TBD his value cooled right off if it was ever truly there.
Even then talking heads were on about what the Flames could command. Now saying the same about Kadri. He isn't getting anyone's top prospect in return.
I feel pretty confident in guaranteeing that.
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10-28-2025, 02:41 PM
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#10860
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
There's always a premium attached to a guy like Hage.
I'd just as soon do a deal strictly for picks rather than complicate it. Find our own Hage.
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Agreed. I feel like Rescney has a similar upside as Hage and it’s very hard to get a team’s top prospect at anytime but almost impossible when the asset we are offering as the centerpiece is a 35 year old.
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