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Old 10-28-2025, 01:45 PM   #10841
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Yeah, Aarongavey specifically mentioned that:
I think they wanted Jankowski the whole time, evcen without trading down.
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Old 10-28-2025, 01:45 PM   #10842
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Frank says Kadri for Michael Hage is too much from the Habs
I would be willing to overpay if we feel Hage has the potential we are looking for.
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Old 10-28-2025, 01:50 PM   #10843
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Is there anyone NOT wanting to ship out Ras, Kadri and Coleman?
Don't even need to "fleece" the other team either. Get decent returns and it helps rebuild plus gets young guys into those positions more appropriately.

Huberdeau - Frost - Coronato
Gridin - Zary - Sharangovich (uh, not great but worth a shot?)
Honzek - Backlund - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka
Kirkland

Bahl - Weegar
Hanley - Parekh
Bean - Brz

If super adventurous:

Huberdeau - Pospisil - Klapka
Gridin - Zary - Coronato
Honzek - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Backlund - Sharangovich
Kirkland

Kuznetsov - Weegar
Bahl - Parekh
Hanley - Bean

Not sure how much we'd win but would be fun to see IMO
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Old 10-28-2025, 01:55 PM   #10844
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^ we'd surely have to take some roster players back, so there'd still be some guys in the way. But you're on the right track.
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Old 10-28-2025, 01:55 PM   #10845
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I think there are a couple differences
- I think Hage is a better prospect
- The Avs are 100% in championship mode with their current core. So they are far more willing to trade a top prospect than the Habs, where they are entering their window, but not yet to the point where they will start to leverage that type of prospect capital to augment the team.

I would go after Zharovsky from the Habs though he's having an unreal KHL season so that may not be possible. But he's a winger, and somewhat under-sized, which they already have a lot of. So maybe he's on the table.

I would guess that Montreal is throwing around names like Owen Beck and Josh Roy. Can you get one of those names to be Zharovsky instead? Maybe

Personally Zharovsky + 1st would be a home run.
I would take Zharovsky + 2nd all day and all night.
Meh, I would let Montreal sweat it out. Kadri is probably the best fit available for them in the market. If they're not willing to talk Hage at all then we should trade him somewhere else.

I'm easily willing to accept Hage has more value straight across. But I want to know what the + to Kadri is rather than talking about other prospects. Owen Beck and Roy do nothing for us. Zharovsky is good but more of the same in our pool.

There will be other teams interested in Kadri too. Negotiating using one team's prospect pool is limiting. We can argue someone else into giving us a better prospect than Beck or Roy, so we should reject that entirely as the basis for negotiations.
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Old 10-28-2025, 01:57 PM   #10846
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There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
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Old 10-28-2025, 01:59 PM   #10847
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Honestly I'd take Hage + more of a cap dump and not even need the additional first.

Hage looks like he could be a top 6 center.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:00 PM   #10848
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There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
Wouldn't he have already had to do that since the list's been submitted innit? He's not scratching out names in pencil right now I don't reckon
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There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
If Kadri or his agent communicate this in any way to the acquiring teams, it would be tampering by my understanding.

In theory, this would mean the limit on his value only applies to us, but there's nothing saying that we can't negotiate (perhaps in bad faith) with many teams to drive up the price even if we have no intention or ability to trade him to said team.

So, yes, but this should impact his value less than, say Rasmus Andersson, where the signing of the subsequent contract gives opportunity for acquiring teams to better understand player future intentions/desires.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:02 PM   #10850
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There are other teams interested but remember the trade protection. Kadri can engineer that list to really narrow in on a small number of teams.
Still think for Kadri it comes down to how much he's interested in trying to win a cup. Some guys have a lot of drive for that, others don't seem to.

If he's content with the likelihood of not winning one in Calgary, and his family's happy in Calgary, then he'll do what he can as far as his contract terms to stay here.

If he'd like to chase one, his list he'd accept should be playoff teams/contenders... which can still make it tricky to move him, but far from impossible.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:15 PM   #10851
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Wouldn't he have already had to do that since the list's been submitted innit? He's not scratching out names in pencil right now I don't reckon
Yes my point was only that how he constructed the list could severely limit Conroy's options.
For instance he doesn't have to put teams on the list that are:
- Not in a window of contention (e.g. San Jose)
- Don't have the cap room to take him on (though they could send cap back).

He would construct his list to include teams that have both the means and interest to acquire, but where he doesn't want to go.
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If Kadri or his agent communicate this in any way to the acquiring teams, it would be tampering by my understanding.

In theory, this would mean the limit on his value only applies to us, but there's nothing saying that we can't negotiate (perhaps in bad faith) with many teams to drive up the price even if we have no intention or ability to trade him to said team.
Wouldn't the other team simply ask Craig if they are on Kadri's no trade list or not? That would be the first question I ask before engaging in meaningful talks.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:19 PM   #10853
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Why does Craig have to say "yes" to that question under any circumstances?


Edit: or "no".
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:30 PM   #10854
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I would be willing to overpay if we feel Hage has the potential we are looking for.
The problem is you can't overpay for a player the team has no interest in moving.
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Hage is definitely preferable, but I think Kapanen could be an interesting piece and is probably alot easier to convince them to move.

1st + Kapanen is something I would be interested in.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:38 PM   #10856
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The problem is you can't overpay for a player the team has no interest in moving.
Isn’t the sentiment that Hague for kadri straight across isn’t equal? Everyone has a price and I haven’t seen anywhere that Hague isn’t untouchable.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:38 PM   #10857
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Honestly I'd take Hage + more of a cap dump and not even need the additional first.

Hage looks like he could be a top 6 center.
There's always a premium attached to a guy like Hage.

I'd just as soon do a deal strictly for picks rather than complicate it. Find our own Hage.
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Still think for Kadri it comes down to how much he's interested in trying to win a cup. Some guys have a lot of drive for that, others don't seem to.

If he's content with the likelihood of not winning one in Calgary, and his family's happy in Calgary, then he'll do what he can as far as his contract terms to stay here.

If he'd like to chase one, his list he'd accept should be playoff teams/contenders... which can still make it tricky to move him, but far from impossible.
Personally ... I think that ship has sailed.

I don't think this gets as public as it has, and for as long as it has, if Kadri has indicated to the Flames that he doesn't want to go.

I think he's on board now and helping to grease the skids.
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I feel like none of us have paid attention to Conroy's trade history. Even when he got a haul from Vancouver for Lindholm it didn't include any of the marquee name(s) that were bandied about.

Tanev was supposed to get a great return. Hanifin, well that was its own story.

Markstrom? Now Andersson, even though thats TBD his value cooled right off if it was ever truly there.

Even then talking heads were on about what the Flames could command. Now saying the same about Kadri. He isn't getting anyone's top prospect in return.

I feel pretty confident in guaranteeing that.
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Old 10-28-2025, 02:41 PM   #10860
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There's always a premium attached to a guy like Hage.

I'd just as soon do a deal strictly for picks rather than complicate it. Find our own Hage.
Agreed. I feel like Rescney has a similar upside as Hage and it’s very hard to get a team’s top prospect at anytime but almost impossible when the asset we are offering as the centerpiece is a 35 year old.
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