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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The number went up in the west but not in the east. You can't always predict what the end number will be.

And the number went up in the west only because Calgary and St. Louis both went on improbable winning streaks right at the same time.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Even the tankiest tankers will get 30 wins. Can't lose em all, so this is OK. Frig Adam Fox.

Around 20 wins is more typical of the worst place team. Currently, the Flames are on pace for 16 wins.

[Bill Bumface]

Adam Fox vs. The Calgary Flames:

10 GP
0 G
6 A
-4

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by FBI

Wow they hate Lafreniere, I would take him..

I guess I'd take him too but wouldn't give up much. He makes 7.4 mill for this season and the next six. He's hit 20 goals once and 50 points once as well. Sure he's still a relatively young hockey player but the one goal two assists and -10 in ten games to start the season isn't great

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by blankall

Around 20 wins is more typical of the worst place team. Currently, the Flames are on pace for 16 wins.

2024-25: San Jose, 20-50-12
2023-24: San Jose, 19-54-9
2022-23: Anaheim, 23-47-12
2021-22: Montreal, 22-49-11
2020-21: Buffalo, 15-34-7 (prorates to 22 wins over 82 GP)

Just to provide some data. 20 wins is a touch low most years, but 30 is definitely too high.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by BigThief

I guess I'd take him too but wouldn't give up much. He makes 7.4 mill for this season and the next six. He's hit 20 goals once and 50 points once as well. Sure he's still a relatively young hockey player but the one goal two assists and -10 in ten games to start the season isn't great

Something like Lafrienerre for a 3rd might make sense. Eating a lot of salary for a guy who has never done anything so some significant risk but some potential upside.

[CroFlames]

My apologies. The Flames have been mediocre for most of my life that I don't even know what a truly ####ty team capable of.

[NegativeSpace]

If the Flames want to even say playoffs post November, then they really need to get onto a bit of a roll to even out things from this start. They end November with the annual (dreaded) Florida-Carolina trip. So, they really need to rattle off a bunch of wins starting soon.


Oct 28: @ Tor
Oct 30: @ Ott
Nov 1: @ Nsh
Nov 2: @ Phi
Nov 5: vs CBJ
Nov 7: vs Chi
Nov 9: @ Min
Nov 11: @ Stl
Nov 13: vs. SJ
Nov 15: vs. Wpg
Nov 18: @ Chi
Nov 19: @ Buf
Nov 22: vs. Dal
Nov 23: @ Van
Nov 26: @ Tam
Nov 28: @ Flo
Nov 30: @ Car

[Locke]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If the Flames want to even say playoffs post November, then they really need to get onto a bit of a roll to even out things from this start. They end November with the annual (dreaded) Florida-Carolina trip. So, they really need to rattle off a bunch of wins starting soon.


Oct 28: @ Tor
Oct 30: @ Ott
Nov 1: @ Nsh
Nov 2: @ Phi
Nov 5: vs CBJ
Nov 7: vs Chi
Nov 9: @ Min
Nov 11: @ Stl
Nov 13: vs. SJ
Nov 15: vs. Wpg
Nov 18: @ Chi
Nov 19: @ Buf
Nov 22: vs. Dal
Nov 23: @ Van
Nov 26: @ Tam
Nov 28: @ Flo
Nov 30: @ Car

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

My apologies. The Flames have been mediocre for most of my life that I don't even know what a truly ####ty team capable of.

30 wins is still usually good for a bottom five finish, so you weren't that far off.

Since the introduction of the shootout, the fewest wins the Flames have had in an 82 game season was 35 in both 2014 (4th worst) and 2016 (5th worst).

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If the Flames want to even say playoffs post November, then they really need to get onto a bit of a roll to even out things from this start. They end November with the annual (dreaded) Florida-Carolina trip. So, they really need to rattle off a bunch of wins starting soon.


Oct 28: @ Tor
Oct 30: @ Ott
Nov 1: @ Nsh
Nov 2: @ Phi
Nov 5: vs CBJ
Nov 7: vs Chi
Nov 9: @ Min
Nov 11: @ Stl
Nov 13: vs. SJ
Nov 15: vs. Wpg
Nov 18: @ Chi
Nov 19: @ Buf
Nov 22: vs. Dal
Nov 23: @ Van
Nov 26: @ Tam
Nov 28: @ Flo
Nov 30: @ Car

You know you are at the bottom of the table when almost every team in a month long list looks like a tough matchup.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If the Flames want to even say playoffs post November,

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tkflames

You know you are at the bottom of the table when almost every team in a month long list looks like a tough matchup.

all those teams have worse records than the Jets, Habs, Knights, Mammoth...which have been like 80% of the Flames Schedule

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And the number went up in the west only because Calgary and St. Louis both went on improbable winning streaks right at the same time.

Yep, a franchise best win streak by a team from the 70s moved it up by a few points

[stemit14]

Who is likely to sit tomorrow when Coronato is back in the line up? Every on e had a good game so it’s tough to say. I guess the easy answer is someone from the 4th line (either Lomberg or Kirkland)? If it’s Kirkland that likely means Zary is centering the 4th line. Which is not ideal. I would be fine with Zary centering with Klapka but I would want another skilled player on the other wing rather than Lomberg. Love the guy but Lomberg just doesn’t fit well as an offence option with Zary.

My preference for the line up after last game is probably this:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Frost
Sharangovich-Zary-Coronato
Honzek-Backlund-Coleman
Farabee-Kirkland-Klapka

They really do have a lot of wingers. Every time I think I have them all, I realize I have to fit Farabee and Sharangovich into the top 3 lines and there’s only room for one of them. I would also like to see Klapka playing further up the lineup.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Who is likely to sit tomorrow when Coronato is back in the line up? Every on e had a good game so it’s tough to say. I guess the easy answer is someone from the 4th line (either Lomberg or Kirkland)? If it’s Kirkland that likely means Zary is centering the 4th line. Which is not ideal. I would be fine with Zary centering with Klapka but I would want another skilled player on the other wing rather than Lomberg. Love the guy but Lomberg just doesn’t fit well as an offence option with Zary.

My preference for the line up after last game is probably this:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Frost
Sharangovich-Zary-Coronato
Honzek-Backlund-Coleman
Farabee-Kirkland-Klapka

They really do have a lot of wingers. Every time I think I have them all, I realize I have to fit Farabee and Sharangovich into the top 3 lines and there’s only room for one of them. I would also like to see Klapka playing further up the lineup.

It won't happen but ideally they'd take out Lomberg and Kirkland, Call up Kerins, and have more offensive threats on that 4th line.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Frost
Sharangovich - Zary - Coronato
Honzek - Backlund - Coleman
Farabee - Kerins - Klapka

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Locke

Lol... You don't have to care. That's the stated goal of the team.


I've been writing for a while on here that it seems to me that they have dug themselves a very deep hole - too deep in my view.


However, their schedule does lighten up and they have been doing better in the last few games.


It really depends on whether they string together a bunch of wins or go .500 over this stretch. If they go .500 over this stretch before the Florida trip then they are definitely a bottom team this year as the hole is too big afterwards in my opinion.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

If the Flames want to even say playoffs post November, then they really need to get onto a bit of a roll to even out things from this start. They end November with the annual (dreaded) Florida-Carolina trip. So, they really need to rattle off a bunch of wins starting soon.


Oct 28: @ Tor .500
Oct 30: @ Ott .500
Nov 1: @ Nsh .500
Nov 2: @ Phi .563
Nov 5: vs CBJ .500
Nov 7: vs Chi .556
Nov 9: @ Min .400
Nov 11: @ Stl .438
Nov 13: vs. SJ .333
Nov 15: vs. Wpg .667
Nov 18: @ Chi .556
Nov 19: @ Buf .500
Nov 22: vs. Dal .611
Nov 23: @ Van .500
Nov 26: @ Tam .444
Nov 28: @ Flo .500
Nov 30: @ Car .750

added the current win percentage for each of the opponents. Only 6 teams above .500. The Flames will not be .250 after this stretch.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

added the current win percentage for each of the opponents. Only 6 teams above .500. The Flames will not be .250 after this stretch.

Agreed. The team is playing better recently and dropping points at that level is also unsustainable.

[SuperMatt18]

My guess based on the first couple games and how the schedule looked was they could be 3-9-0 after their first 12 games and looks like they will be pretty close to that.

I do think they start playing closer to .500 now or maybe a little better here in this next stretch. The opponents are easier but there are some gotchas in there. 3 back to backs with travel, some teams that have had their number (Ottawa, STL) and the tough trio through the SE USA teams to end it.

Say something like 8-7-2 over the next 17 games (currently 2-7-1).

Which would leave them at 10-14-3 as of December 1 ... think that would probably have them pretty clearly out of the race at that point.

Based on the start I think they finish between 70 and 75 points here which will be that 4-7 range of the lottery I think.