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Old 10-27-2025, 09:03 AM   #10761
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Kadri is a guy you have to be careful with. He is 35 and signed for 3 more seasons after this one. He hasn't been consistent over the years. He plays a gritty style and only seems to excel when he works his tail off.

The Flames also have Backlund who 36 and signed for 2 more seasons after this. Add Frost and Zary and the C position is getting congested.

You need veteran leaders during a rebuild. But I would be careful. This could turn into another bad contract we can't move, and result in more situations where we can't find space to develop our Cs.
It wouldn't be the Flames unless we only leave the #4C spot or #3LW open to develop Reschny and Potter.
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Old 10-27-2025, 09:38 AM   #10762
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I wish there was a scenario where Detroit put their hat in the ring for one of our tradeables, to satiate Dylan Larkin (I believe it was he who lamented to the press last year that he wanted help) and get him some veteran assistance for the playoffs. They have so many good, young prospects and players that they could part with, without diminishing their deep stable much. Same situation with LA and Winnipeg.
Marco Kasper has had a really tough go of it, and he was supposed to be their reliable 2c this year. They might actually be looking at that being their one weakness, in what is turning out to be a very good season.
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Old 10-27-2025, 09:41 AM   #10763
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Also, interesting news out of Nashville, as stamkos is off to another slow start. He has 3 years left on an 8M contract, and there is speculation that Nashville might have to eat half of that to move him, but they only have one retention spot left.

If kadri does move on, stamkos on the first line with hubey, not needing retention, could garner a really nice sweetener.

He has lost a step, but really, who cares for the next year or two, after which he could move down in the lineup.
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Old 10-27-2025, 09:48 AM   #10764
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Also, interesting news out of Nashville, as stamkos is off to another slow start. He has 3 years left on an 8M contract, and there is speculation that Nashville might have to eat half of that to move him, but they only have one retention spot left.

If kadri does move on, stamkos on the first line with hubey, not needing retention, could garner a really nice sweetener.

He has lost a step, but really, who cares for the next year or two, after which he could move down in the lineup.
I don’t think Stamkos is interested in going from one rebuild to another? I assume they move him out to try and get some assets on a team he could win on?
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Old 10-27-2025, 09:50 AM   #10765
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He'll end up in Vegas or Florida.
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Old 10-27-2025, 10:07 AM   #10766
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I'll guess Detroit for Stamkos. They're off to a decent start this season; they have a little more cap space than the Flames right now; and Stamkos and Yzerman know each other from Tampa.
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Old 10-27-2025, 10:45 AM   #10767
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Also, interesting news out of Nashville, as stamkos is off to another slow start. He has 3 years left on an 8M contract, and there is speculation that Nashville might have to eat half of that to move him, but they only have one retention spot left.

If kadri does move on, stamkos on the first line with hubey, not needing retention, could garner a really nice sweetener.

He has lost a step, but really, who cares for the next year or two, after which he could move down in the lineup.
Interesting. What is the deadline to be able to make a double retention trade on trade deadline day?
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Old 10-27-2025, 12:03 PM   #10768
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Interesting. What is the deadline to be able to make a double retention trade on trade deadline day?
The first trade with retention has to happen at least 75 regular-season days before the second. That makes it basically impossible, because there's no way to be sure that the ultimate destination will still want the same player at the same price two and a half months later.
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Old 10-27-2025, 01:42 PM   #10769
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Call me crazy but I'd still take a flyer on Lafreniere. I could see him being a change of scenery guy like Reinhart, Bennett
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Old 10-27-2025, 01:45 PM   #10770
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1982891845920403937

Kadri's NTC would not block a move to Vancouver.

...now, maybe he'd prefer to go somewhere where they know how to spell his name right though...
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Call me crazy but I'd still take a flyer on Lafreniere. I could see him being a change of scenery guy like Reinhart, Bennett
I have mixed feelings about the Flames spending assets on reclamation projects. The Flames environment is not healthy enough to turn a players career around. Bennett and Reinhart came later when a solid team was under way. Sending him to calgary wont do much.
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Old 10-27-2025, 01:56 PM   #10772
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Trade Naz for a competitive package

Bring up Kerins to play 3C. Continue the Zary at C and Frost on the wing experiment.

We'll be bad but at least we won't Bennett these young players, at least we'll see if they can develop into regular centers at this level.
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:11 PM   #10773
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Kadri is a guy you have to be careful with. He is 35 and signed for 3 more seasons after this one. He hasn't been consistent over the years. He plays a gritty style and only seems to excel when he works his tail off.

The Flames also have Backlund who 36 and signed for 2 more seasons after this. Add Frost and Zary and the C position is getting congested.

You need veteran leaders during a rebuild. But I would be careful. This could turn into another bad contract we can't move, and result in more situations where we can't find space to develop our Cs.
Well Kadri is pretty consistent. 4 straight seasons before this one with 56 points or more (67 points or more in 3 of those 4 seasons). On pace this season for around 58 points over 82 games after his first 10. It is reasonable to expect that he will get 55+ points a season for the remainder of his contract.
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The first trade with retention has to happen at least 75 regular-season days before the second. That makes it basically impossible, because there's no way to be sure that the ultimate destination will still want the same player at the same price two and a half months later.
It definitely is more difficult, but I was more thinking more of a situation where a team like Nashville trades Stamkos retaining 15-20% and then at the trade deadline trade the player again with 50%. Not that players getting traded multiple times in a season is normal. With that being said, that 75 days would put it around Dec 20th if they treat the shut down for the Olympics as normal days.
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:24 PM   #10775
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I am super curious with these new rules if over the summer a team with cap space could do the following

1) sign UFA X to a large one year contract
2) trade player X to a team with retention for a draft pick or two
3) possible third step being that team trades the player again later in the season.

So for example the Flames sign Bobrovsky to a one year 8 million dollar deal. They immediately trade him to the Panthers with 50% retention for the Panthers 2027 2nd and 3rd round picks (since they don’t have a 1st). Panthers get Bob for 4 million a year, the Flames get picks and the Panthers get additional cap space.

Or you sign a player and move him once for retention and then the player gets moved again in November for additional retention. Is there anything preventing those scenarios from happening?
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:28 PM   #10776
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I thought they took away double retention on a player now.
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:28 PM   #10777
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Kadri's NTC would not block a move to Vancouver.

...now, maybe he'd prefer to go somewhere where they know how to spell his name right though...
Kadri is one of the few vets that seems to want to play in Canada more than the US. Maybe he doesn't like the current atmosphere down there. Especially for a guy named Nazem Kadri.
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:32 PM   #10778
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Well Kadri is pretty consistent. 4 straight seasons before this one with 56 points or more (67 points or more in 3 of those 4 seasons). On pace this season for around 58 points over 82 games after his first 10. It is reasonable to expect that he will get 55+ points a season for the remainder of his contract.
Is it reasonable to expect 36, 37 and 38 year old Kadri to get 55 points?

Here is the list of 35 and older players to get 55 points last season

Crosby - Ovechkin

That's the list

Kadri was actually the 3rd oldest player to get over 55 points. (Zuccarello had 54 in 69 games at 37 years old as well, Marchant had 47 in 61, and Anders Lee has 54 points at 34 years old)

The odds Kadri is getting 55 points in the last few years of the contract are very low if we are looking at what typically occurs in older players who arent the top 10 to ever play the game. There were only a handful of 35 and older players who average a pace of 55 points and only two actually did it.

Now I don't think it will be impossible for Kadri to get 45-55 points in the last few years of his contract, but age is undefeated!
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:56 PM   #10779
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Kadri is one of the few vets that seems to want to play in Canada more than the US. Maybe he doesn't like the current atmosphere down there. Especially for a guy named Nazem Kadri.
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Old 10-27-2025, 02:58 PM   #10780
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Vancouver isn't better than Calgary...swap schedules and lets see the records

Canucks would be pretty dumb to make a trade like this (maybe they are)
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