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Old 10-26-2025, 12:12 AM   #10641
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At the moment, the Flames are about $13 million over the floor, so they can trade away any two of those players without bringing salary back. I could see a situation where they trade all three for futures, and make a separate trade to bring in a C or LHD making more money than his current team really wants to pay him – not exactly a cap dump, but a move from a team that wants to free up cap space for other purposes.
Depending on the dance partners, you would have to assume that salary would come back in order to make any of these trades fit for the other team mid-season. This could be good for Conroy because he doesn't really want their cap dumps unless they pay a premium for both the player and the cap dump.

Also, retention would keep us above the floor. Based on my napkin, if we trade out Andersson and Coleman and retain over $4M on them then we can trade out Kadri without retention or taking on cap dumps and stay above the floor. This is good leverage because that allows Conroy to assert that the Flames do not need salary back and that any unwanted salary back should increase the cost.

The trick is going to be getting assets back that we really need. The Flames do not want far flung 1st round picks and we really do not need to stockpile quantity of picks. The cupboard is full of quantity, especially wingers and RD and depth Cs. At this point the price has to be quality C and LD.
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Utah! Tij is coming home. Sweet baby Jesus!
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Depending on the dance partners, you would have to assume that salary would come back in order to make any of these trades fit for the other team mid-season. This could be good for Conroy because he doesn't really want their cap dumps unless they pay a premium for both the player and the cap dump.

Also, retention would keep us above the floor. Based on my napkin, if we trade out Andersson and Coleman and retain over $4M on them then we can trade out Kadri without retention or taking on cap dumps and stay above the floor. This is good leverage because that allows Conroy to assert that the Flames do not need salary back and that any unwanted salary back should increase the cost.

The trick is going to be getting assets back that we really need. The Flames do not want far flung 1st round picks and we really do not need to stockpile quantity of picks. The cupboard is full of quantity, especially wingers and RD and depth Cs. At this point the price has to be quality C and LD.
I think I’d be fine with first round picks in these trades given how well the flames have been drafting and developing players these days. Don’t get me wrong, if the flames can pull off a trade like what the Islanders got last year for Nelson (Callum Ritchie + 1st round pick +) I’d be thrilled but it’s so rare for teams to give up their top NHL-ready prospect that’s a centre. It happens - but it’s rare. Especially for older players that aren’t superstars.
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Old 10-26-2025, 01:36 AM   #10649
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If the Flames move Andersson, Kadri, Coleman, etc etc... it won't be for picks/prospects. 100% the primary return will be a roster player to replace the outgoing asset.

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Out: Kadri + 4th
In: Parker Kelly + 2nd

I have zero inside information. I'm not syaing this trade is happening, nor am I saying I want it to happen. I don't even know who Parker Kelly is, other than he's a 26 year old center... but it's the kind of trade the Flames like to make, and I've seen nothing from this organization that convinces me we're going to do anything crazy like focus on draft picks as the primary asset coming back.
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If the Flames move Andersson, Kadri, Coleman, etc etc... it won't be for picks/prospects. 100% the primary return will be a roster player to replace the outgoing asset.

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Out: Kadri + 4th
In: Parker Kelly + 2nd

I have zero inside information. I'm not syaing this trade is happening, nor am I saying I want it to happen. I don't even know who Parker Kelly is, other than he's a 26 year old center... but it's the kind of trade the Flames like to make, and I've seen nothing from this organization that convinces me we're going to do anything crazy like focus on draft picks as the primary asset coming back.
I can understand your pessimism to a point, but Conroy really has not operated in that fashion. The only trade somewhat like that was Toffoli for Yegor and a 3rd, but if that's what you're using as your basis on Conroy, not the org, then you're forgetting the winger market was saturated that summer and Conroy worked within that market to facilitate a respected player's trade demand.

...and to poke you on your Kelly example...with all the heat around centres, you think the best deal Conroy is going to get is...a 26 year old with 56 points in 266 games and a bump up from a 4th to a 2nd round pick?

Even with it being a random reach on a player you know nothing about, your value is nowhere near right and is worth poking at, but I understand the point you were trying to illustrate.
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The rumours for Andersson have always revolved around a futures-based trade, with perhaps bad cap coming the other way. I don't know why this changes.


I don't know why Conory would fixate on getting a player coming to replace Kadri (or whomever else either). Flames don't need it. Lots of kids coming up. Sure, if someone needs to throw a Parker Kelly to the Flames because the need to unload a contract (Kelly has zero or at least negligible value), then I am sure that Conroy will be fine with that. Salary and/or bad cap (for the year only - longer than this year requires an additional sweeteners of course).


The primary return for all of Conroy's moves has always been futures-based, with the possible exception of Sharangovich. Miromanov was probably just a throw in with negligible value. Grushnikov I don't see as a player who was holding much value, even if Jim Nill waxed poetically about how much he hated including him. Conroy did the same thing with Pelletier, but he could have re-signed him in the off-season, but didn't (nor were there any rumours at all).


If somebody offers a good young player/prospect, of course Conroy jumps on it, but a guy like Parker Kelly being thrown in does not impact the return as illustrated. Kadri is worth more than a 2nd unless there is only one single team bidding. He doesn't have that control, and he can't say that he will only sign with one team - he has a contract. Flames should get a good return here. I will be surprised if they do not.
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If the Flames move Andersson, Kadri, Coleman, etc etc... it won't be for picks/prospects. 100% the primary return will be a roster player to replace the outgoing asset.

Example
Out: Kadri + 4th
In: Parker Kelly + 2nd

I have zero inside information. I'm not syaing this trade is happening, nor am I saying I want it to happen. I don't even know who Parker Kelly is, other than he's a 26 year old center... but it's the kind of trade the Flames like to make, and I've seen nothing from this organization that convinces me we're going to do anything crazy like focus on draft picks as the primary asset coming back.
1- The flames have a couple of Parker Kelly's
2- Colorado doesn't have any picks this year

Colorado doesn't have a whole lot to offer, if they want Kadri for a cup run I suspect it would take next years 1st and either Gulyayev or Brindley, otherwise the Flames look elsewhere.
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I think it’s pretty clear by now that Craig’s not feeling the rush either.
He’s maximizing value and going to sell anyone as if they’re really okay with holding onto them to do so.

Teams are calling now because they think CGY is desperate and willing to panic, but I’m pretty confident Craig shares the same sentiment as most of us do.
Teams are calling now because GMs like to keep channels open and let their peers know if they’re interested in a particular player. It’s standard practice. Tulsky has probably asked Conroy to reach out when they put Kadri on the market. I doubt anyone is making concrete offers. And it’s unlikely a significant trade is going to be made in October or November - that doesn’t happen anymore.
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1- The flames have a couple of Parker Kelly's
2- Colorado doesn't have any picks this year

Colorado doesn't have a whole lot to offer, if they want Kadri for a cup run I suspect it would take next years 1st and either Gulyayev or Brindley, otherwise the Flames look elsewhere.
Mentioned this earlier but the best scenario I can think of would for both Montreal and Carolina to get involved.
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Tij would be a dream to land. Not sure what we could really offer that would be worth Tij. Utah is humming along, could maybe use a 2c... Kadri for Tij doesn't seem too far off tbh. Tij had surgery this year... they have decent forward prospect/ young player depth with desnoyers, Beaudoin, But, peterka, cooley and guenther...

Maybe andersson + ? as an alternate option but I still dont think andersson has enough value to make sense.
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Utahs RD looks worse to me than their centres however they don’t have a Kadri type centre. Not sure who the flames would chase there - Beaudoin, Desnoyers, Iggy, and their plethora of firsts/picks? Iggy is a winger so that would be a nepotism trade
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Utahs RD looks worse to me than their centres however they don’t have a Kadri type centre. Not sure who the flames would chase there - Beaudoin, Desnoyers, Iggy, and their plethora of firsts/picks? Iggy is a winger so that would be a nepotism trade
Tij played center in the whl. I think he could still be tried there. Also would be potentially pur best forward prospect regardless of winger status. Yeah the nepo link is obvious but is it really bad to want the son of the flames legend?
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Tij played center in the whl. I think he could still be tried there. Also would be potentially pur best forward prospect regardless of winger status. Yeah the nepo link is obvious but is it really bad to want the son of the flames legend?
Not at all. Forgot he played C in the WHL. It is one way to sell seats during a rebuild that’s for sure. Jerseys and seats to watch Iggy Jr. I’m open to any of the mentioned pieces
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Tij would be a dream to land. Not sure what we could really offer that would be worth Tij. Utah is humming along, could maybe use a 2c... Kadri for Tij doesn't seem too far off tbh. Tij had surgery this year... they have decent forward prospect/ young player depth with desnoyers, Beaudoin, But, peterka, cooley and guenther...

Maybe andersson + ? as an alternate option but I still dont think andersson has enough value to make sense.
Age+salary+current production , Kadri is not going to land anything closely to TJ
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