[News] Flames recall Dryden Hunt. Oct 25 Upd: Assigned to Wranglers

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It's just crazy to me that people hammer and hammer that they want the team to tank, and lo a behold the team is a bottom feeder destined for a top 5 pick, and people are complaining about who the coach has playing on the 4th line? Did you watch pre season, did anyone stand out as a difference maker who isn't getting NHL time? I would love the Flames to ice a 4th line of high energy never say die prospects, just like I'd love a toilet made from solid gold. But that's not in the cards baby.

The Flames could win the cup this year and some certain posters would spam every thread complaining about the parade route. Nothing will be good enough for them.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

The Flames could win the cup this year and some certain posters would spam every thread complaining about the parade route. Nothing will be good enough for them.

I think it works the other way as well.

The Flames could make the worst trade in the world, and the same 5 or 6 posters on here would defend every move no matter what. Blind homerism.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Goriders

You could be right. But Hunt probably isn’t developing any further. The younger guys probably will. So give them a chance to get some NHL games in.

This is the crux of the debate. Is the NHL a developmental league? Huska and Sutter clearly feel that it is not, and I tend to agree. I don't think a player like Kerins who struggles without the puck would be done any favors getting hammered in his own zone all game long, i don't think he would learn and improve by being a constant liability.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think it works the other way as well.

The Flames could make the worst trade in the world, and the same 5 or 6 posters on here would defend every move no matter what.

For the most part people try to debate with information and facts. One of the main emerging issues on the board is the ignoring and rejection of actual facts in debates. Including people literally making things up, like saying a player said something they didn't. Or dismissing valid information (advanced stats are no good).

Or just posting that "Huska is no good".

That's not debate.
That's not discussion.
That's not using information..

People can hold their opinions but should be challenged to do so using actual information and facts, not manufactured realities.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For the most part people try to debate with information and facts. One of the main emerging issues on the board is the ignoring and rejection of actual facts in debates. Including people literally making things up, like saying a player said something they didn't. Or dismissing valid information (advanced stats are no good).

Or just posting that "Huska is no good".

That's not debate.
That's not discussion.
That's not using information..

People can hold their opinions but should be challenged to do so using actual information and facts, not manufactured realities.

That one poster earlier who said your posts are always condescending was spitting facts. That is all I'm going to say about most of your responses to me and others.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

That one poster earlier who said your posts are always condescending was spitting facts. That is all I'm going to say about most of your responses to me and others.

Man, so what?

You're constantly whining and mocking people on here, which is fine if that's your shtick (it's a fun shtick!), but turning around and saying things like this is so embarrassing.

"Oh no these blind homers are being condescending to me!"

Grow up already and pick a lane lol.

[GioforPM]

I think this means Kadri might not be able to go, so they need a guy to sit in the press box and play if there's another injury. You aren't calling up Gridin for that. Hunt has played 235 games so he can handle coming in on short notice

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

That one poster earlier who said your posts are always condescending was spitting facts. That is all I'm going to say about most of your responses to me and others.

I think you have any issue with people challenging you with facts, and pushing back against your high volume low quality posts.
I try to treat people respectfully on this site.
But you are a unique instance because of the significant negative impact I believe you are having on this forum.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This is the logical choice by every metric IMO.


1) He leads the Wrangler in points, tied for 1st in goals
2) He has always been trusted by every coach he plays with because he is strong defensively - Flames have been weak there too
3) Flames need to reward these solid vets from time to time - they help create a very good environment and culture on the Wranglers for the prospects to develop


Sure, Gridin would have been the better choice in a few ways, but I actually think he should just have a good run down on the Wranglers for a while rather than being yo-yoed between the clubs. Kerins needs waivers, so that's a tough one to try and put back away without being claimed - ditto for Morton, but Morton hasn't been putting up the points.


This is logical and perfectly ok with me. At some point this season, the Flames will throw in the towel I believe, and then hopefully we will see Conroy shipping out a couple of bodies on forward, and we can see a revolving door of prospects who are not waiver eligible get some time, as well as Kerins and/or Morton get a long look (can't send them back down).


Hunt is a good two-way player and coaches always love him. This is what the Flames need, and it is good to see guys like this get rewarded too. Keeps everyone hungry.

As much as I love trying to rationalize the decisions the Flames make, this is a stupid one.

Hunt's age plays into this, he is what he is. What's the absolute best case scenario here? Is playing Hunt going to win the Flames games? Spark their offense?

The Flames need to see what they have in Morton, Kerins, Gridin, Stromgren, Suniev, you name it. Even if it's all about points then Hunt has 6P in 4GP, meanwhile Gridin has 3P, in 2GP, and Kerins has 5P in 4GP.

At the end of the day, it's still the 13th forward, and it's not that big of a deal. It's just a development opportunity wasted.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

As much as I love trying to rationalize the decisions the Flames make, this is a stupid one.

Hunt's age plays into this, he is what he is. What's the absolute best case scenario here? Is playing Hunt going to win the Flames games? Spark their offense?

The Flames need to see what they have in Morton, Kerins, Gridin, Stromgren, Suniev, you name it. Even if it's all about points then Hunt has 6P in 4GP, meanwhile Gridin has 3P, in 2GP, and Kerins has 5P in 4GP.

At the end of the day, it's still the 13th forward, and it's not that big of a deal. It's just a development opportunity wasted.

If it's the 13th forward postion, how does bringing up any of those guys and sitting them help you see what you've got? Or win games? Or spark offence?

Plus who do you want to risk waiving to go back down (aside from Gridin who is exempt)?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think they mis-typed Rory Kerins.



(Jfc, hunt?..its always hunt)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Hunt is leading the Wranglers in scoring. If they want a winger to fill in temporarily on the fourth line, that's the logical choice. I get that fans want to see Kerins, but Kerins is not suited for the role that Hunt knows how to play, or vice versa.

If thats the purpose of the recall, then fair..

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think you have any issue with people challenging you with facts, and pushing back against your high volume low quality posts.
I try to treat people respectfully on this site.
But you are a unique instance because of the significant negative impact I believe you are having on this forum.

Yes, I am having a negative impact on the forum because I have a different view than you. Thank you for letting me know.

You're again being condescending.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This is the crux of the debate. Is the NHL a developmental league? Huska and Sutter clearly feel that it is not, and I tend to agree. I don't think a player like Kerins who struggles without the puck would be done any favors getting hammered in his own zone all game long, i don't think he would learn and improve by being a constant liability.

You’re not bringing him up for the whole season. It’ll probably be a few games. I’d bring young guys up for that. If it’s a long term thing then I’m probably leaning towards the more seasoned vet.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Goriders

You’re not bringing him up for the whole season. It’ll probably be a few games. I’d bring young guys up for that. If it’s a long term thing then I’m probably leaning towards the more seasoned vet.

Okay that is a fair point, i agree, but I don't think now is the time the Flames need to stop the bleeding with a little stability.

[Snuffleupagus]

Hard to cheer for this years team, dull to watch and dumb decisions

[SuperMatt18]

I think not all prospects are created equal either.

Guys That Should Stay on the Farm: Gridin, Basha, Suniev, King, Morin, Brzustewicz, Bell,

These guys are all still pretty new to the AHL game, have played less than 100 AHL games and don't need to rush these guys on to the roster.

These are the guys you'd rather have playing big minutes in the AHL instead of sitting on the NHL roster. (Honzek probably still fits here too TBH).

Guys That Need NHL experience to continue development, or should just be moved: Kerins, Stromgren, Morton, Ciona, Grushnikov, Poirier, Kuznetsov

These guys are all 100+ AHL games, and have spent their time on the farm, and are eligible for Waivers.

These guys need NHL time to continue development. You also want to see what they are at the NHL level before they require waivers, and before the next wave of prospects start to push at the NHL level.

Guys that should just stay on the Farm: Hunt, Bishop, Frk, Gallant

These guys are 29+ years old, and have no real place on the NHL roster, career AHLers. Kirkland should be down in the AHL with these guys.

My take is Kirkland should be in the AHL. Lomberg is your 13th forward. And that should leave 1-2 forward spots for the actual prospects in this organization to get NHL time (Honzek, Lomberg, and Kirkland probably hold those spots today in the lineup that dressed last night, but that's with Sharangovich in the press box already).

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Plus who do you want to risk waiving to go back down (aside from Gridin who is exempt)?

First, they wouldn't have to go through waivers, because of the 10 games, 30 days rule. Suniev, Stromgren, Basha, and Gridin are all exempt. In fact, the only ones that aren't exempt are Kerins, Hunt, and Morton.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If it's the 13th forward postion, how does bringing up any of those guys and sitting them help you see what you've got? Or win games? Or spark offence?

Second, it's either a short term insurance for Kadri, in which case I think it would benefit the younger guys to practice with NHLers more than it would a guy who is a career AHLer at this point.

If Kadri is indeed going to miss some time, then it's the perfect storm to try out a younger player. Maybe it could spark things like the Zary and Pospisil call-ups did a couple of years back. Though, the goal wouldn't be more wins, but development.

Now you tell me how is calling up Hunt any better? Even if he's just there for practice.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

First, they wouldn't have to go through waivers, because of the 10 games, 30 days rule.



Second, it's either a short term insurance for Kadri, in which case I think it would benefit the younger guys to practice with NHLers more than it would a guy who is a career AHLer at this point.

If Kadri is indeed going to miss some time, then it's the perfect storm to try out a younger player. Maybe it could spark things like the Zary and Pospisil call-ups did a couple of years back. Though, the goal wouldn't be more wins, but development.

Now you tell me how is calling up Hunt any better? Even if he's just there for practice.

Because playing AHL games is better than doing NHL practices. Especialy this early in the season.

[saillias]

I think people read too much into it, Hunt is the designated popcorn eater. Kadri seems hurt, Pospisil is not ready. Sharangovich goes back into the lineup, Hunt sits. pretty simple situation. Calling up Gridin or Kerins to sit would piss people off more