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Old 10-22-2025, 09:22 AM   #10221
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10 games, 0 points, -5

Games played are hardly a stat worth comparing prospects in a draft class on this soon after they were drafted. Baffling choice but alright fellas!

Bzru has more points in NHL and AHL and is from the same draft.
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Thoughts on Andrei Svechnikov as a trade target? He's struggled mightily this year and seems in need of a change of scenery. Fairly young and locked up long term
I've wondered about him too.

Andersson + Pospisil for Svechnikov and Rielly? Their top RD is Walker. Andersson would be a good partner for Slavin. The Canes already have their top 6 wings locked in with Jarvis, Blake, Stankoven, and Ehlers. Pospisil goes the bottom 6.

However... I doubt Svechnikov gets us out of this funk. It's clear he would just be another player that cannot get his scoring act together over here. For whatever reason the offense just dies when you put on the Flame sweater.
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:25 AM   #10223
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I've wondered about him too.

Andersson + Pospisil for Svechnikov and Rielly? Their top RD is Walker. Andersson would be a good partner for Slavin. The Canes already have their top 6 wings locked in with Jarvis, Blake, Stankoven, and Ehlers. Pospisil goes the bottom 6.

However... I doubt Svechnikov gets us out of this funk. It's clear he would just be another player that cannot get their scoring together over here. For whatever reason the offense just dies over here.
Stankoven is playing centre. Between Hall and Blake.
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Stankoven is playing centre. Between Hall and Blake.
Forgot about Hall and Stankoven's ability to play center. That still applies to Pospisil going to the bottom 6.
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:27 AM   #10225
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I look at next years RFA list and think those are going to be the type of player that Conroy goes after hard next summer. The impossible dreams of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlson won’t come to fruition. I don’t think Jason Robertson makes sense for the Flames. Logan Cooley turned down a huge 8 year deal in Utah. He would be a great target but also unrealistic.

We will have to see how the season shakes out but I do think the Flames out a little bit more foot on the gas as they try and make this team better for the new building. The Flames tried to do it with Miller this year but couldn’t get it done. I think they will be much more aggressive next summer
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:28 AM   #10226
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10 games, 0 points, -5

Games played are hardly a stat worth comparing prospects in a draft class on this soon after they were drafted. Baffling choice but alright fellas!

Bzru has more points in NHL and AHL and is from the same draft.
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The point is it's too early to make any kind of conclusion about a draft class that's so green that fewer than 10 players have played 10 NHL games. Especially when, if you were going to make a conclusion about whether or not Honzek was a mistake at this stage, the evidence indicates--at worst--he was not one.

Calling Honzek a mistake of a pick when the only evidence that exists is: 1) way too limited to make any kind of definitive conclusion; and 2) indicates the exact opposite is the only thing that's "baffling" in this discussion.

FYI, it's not Honzek's fault he was called up during a period when the Flames as a whole couldn't buy a goal. His metrics are excellent; some of the best on the team in fact.
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I am still fine with the Flyers trade.

Kuzmenko was terrible here outside of his 20 game hot streak that spring when he arrived. He phoned it in the next season and wasnt long for the organization anyways. They leveraged him and an unproven tweener into two relatively young players with track records in the league. Both with second line upside. Neither has realized that upside here yet but the effort is there. Farabee puts in more effort in one night than kuzmenko did in half a dozen games. He's just a mix of snakebitten and not quite there talent wise.

It was a worthwhile gamble and 9/10 posters would have emphatically said yes to the trade at the time.

Offense just comes here to die this year, it appears.
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I've wondered about him too.

Andersson + Pospisil for Svechnikov and Rielly? Their top RD is Walker. Andersson would be a good partner for Slavin. The Canes already have their top 6 wings locked in with Jarvis, Blake, Stankoven, and Ehlers. Pospisil goes the bottom 6.

However... I doubt Svechnikov gets us out of this funk. It's clear he would just be another player that cannot get his scoring act together over here. For whatever reason the offense just dies when you put on the Flame sweater.
I think he's a great target for a team who has a centre that could get him going, I doubt that is Calgary.

Andersson may help them, but he's not type of player who Carolina likely signs long term.

I don't think there is really a great fit for either team.
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:39 AM   #10229
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The point is it's too early to make any kind of conclusion about a draft class that's so green that fewer than 10 players have played 10 NHL games. Especially when, if you were going to make a conclusion about whether or not Honzek was a mistake at this stage, the evidence indicates--at worst--he was not one.

Calling Honzek a mistake of a pick when the only evidence that exists is: 1) way too limited to make any kind of definitive conclusion; and 2) indicates the exact opposite is the only thing that's "baffling" in this discussion.

FYI, it's not Honzek's fault he was called up during a period when the Flames as a whole couldn't buy a goal. His metrics are excellent; some of the best on the team in fact.
If anything I've moved the floor for Honzek up a notch or two with his ability to kill penalties and plug into a shut down line.

Very good signs.

Don't think I've budged on his lowered ceiling though.

He certainly won't be a bust, will play ... but probably won't end up top 15 in his draft class.

It's certainly not a whiff, but it's not a double either.

Happy to be wrong and he pops though!
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:43 AM   #10230
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I've wondered about him too.

Andersson + Pospisil for Svechnikov and Rielly? Their top RD is Walker. Andersson would be a good partner for Slavin. The Canes already have their top 6 wings locked in with Jarvis, Blake, Stankoven, and Ehlers. Pospisil goes the bottom 6.

However... I doubt Svechnikov gets us out of this funk. It's clear he would just be another player that cannot get his scoring act together over here. For whatever reason the offense just dies when you put on the Flame sweater.
I'd want more for Rasmus personally. I'd rather just trade him for futures and get an extra 1st.

I would be all over a change of scenery trade for Sharky and Svech though.
Svech should be the better player, but quite a bit more expensive.
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:43 AM   #10231
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I look at next years RFA list and think those are going to be the type of player that Conroy goes after hard next summer. The impossible dreams of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlson won’t come to fruition. I don’t think Jason Robertson makes sense for the Flames. Logan Cooley turned down a huge 8 year deal in Utah. He would be a great target but also unrealistic.

We will have to see how the season shakes out but I do think the Flames out a little bit more foot on the gas as they try and make this team better for the new building. The Flames tried to do it with Miller this year but couldn’t get it done. I think they will be much more aggressive next summer
They can try but players will still have to want to come here. And with rising caps I think there will be plenty of choice.
I also think any effort from Conroy will be focused on bringing top of the roster players. He won't play around at the edges. Go big or stay on the sidelines. Much like they did last summer.

Point being - right now this has to be one of the least attractive destinations. So the Flames can try to land a big fish. But I don't see it happening.
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Old 10-22-2025, 09:44 AM   #10232
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I'd want more for Rasmus personally. I'd rather just trade him for futures.

I would be all over a change of scenery trade for Sharky and Svech though.
Svech should be the better player, but quite a bit more expensive.
There's zero chance of Shark being the basis of a trade for Svech.
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I'd want more for Rasmus personally. I'd rather just trade him for futures and get an extra 1st.

I would be all over a change of scenery trade for Sharky and Svech though.
Svech should be the better player, but quite a bit more expensive.
No reclamation projects from other teams. The Flames need to get a 1st round pick at minimum. The Athletic had a good story today analyzing teams by age, height, weight, age, etc and 42.3% of all NHL players today were drafted in the 1st round.
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Connie has thrown in the towel on this season already?
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No reclamation projects from other teams. The Flames need to get a 1st round pick at minimum. The Athletic had a good story today analyzing teams by age, height, weight, age, etc and 42.3% of all NHL players today were drafted in the 1st round.
Reclamation projects on short contracts that are accompanied by 1st round picks are OK though.
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They can try but players will still have to want to come here. And with rising caps I think there will be plenty of choice.
I also think any effort from Conroy will be focused on bringing top of the roster players. He won't play around at the edges. Go big or stay on the sidelines. Much like they did last summer.

Point being - right now this has to be one of the least attractive destinations. So the Flames can try to land a big fish. But I don't see it happening.
I just think they will be a bit more aggressive than they have been the past couple of years and push harder to close deals. If this season continues I do not think they will want it to repeat next year and certainly not in 2027 when they are in the new rink.

You are right the players have to want to come. I think if they can get McKenna it would be a complete game changer to turning the franchise around. I think the new rink will play a big factor as well. Lots of “ifs” but I do think there is going to be more pressure on Conroy to turn it around soon.
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Connie has thrown in the towel on this season already?

That may be a diaper.
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No reclamation projects from other teams. The Flames need to get a 1st round pick at minimum. The Athletic had a good story today analyzing teams by age, height, weight, age, etc and 42.3% of all NHL players today were drafted in the 1st round.
When you look at successful teams around the league — Florida being a prime example — they’re built through a balanced mix of drafted talent, smart trades, and selective free-agent signings. Florida drafted elite players like Barkov and Ekblad, but they also transformed their roster by trading for difference-makers such as Bennett, Tkachuk, Reinhart, and Bobrovsky, while adding key free agents like Verhaeghe.

What stands out is how they capitalized on opportunities where talented players were no longer the right fit with their original teams. They identified high-end talent that others undervalued or misused, then built a system that allowed those players to thrive.

The broader point is that the draft isn’t the only path to acquiring top-tier talent. Some of the most impactful players come via trade — often with question marks attached. The key is recognizing which of those players can reach another level in your environment.
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The building a system around talent you have is another thing Flames don’t seem to do.

Flames always seem to be a checking defence first team.

Only when we have guys talented enough to ignore that system and get away with it do we seem to be good.
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