[Rumour] Flames interested in Egor Zamula?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He's played 3 games with 0,0,0,-1 stat line on the best team in the league so they can probably get him back soon if they want

His icetime has increased from 9:34 to 13:41. Not sure they are looking to just give him back.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who's accounts? He has zero points and is a minus player on a team that hasn't lost a game...been in the pressbox for 2 of 5

I thought it was mentioned that he missed the first couple of games because of visa issues.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Get me some o' that Zam Jam.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am probably as big of a Solovyov fan as you can get on this forum, and I really do hate it that Calgary lost him. I think there may have been something there if given a bit of a rope, and I thought he made really strong strides last season on the Wranglers.


However, I do get it. Flames tried to sneak him through again (and I had a feeling his season didn't go unnoticed). Is he a bona fide NHL'er? No, he isn't, but he is a guy that probably should have gotten a longer look last season, if not the season before, to see if there was an upward trajectory. He looked really solid at times, with 'hiccups' at times too. I would have liked to see him get a long run and see what he would have ended up as. Sometimes they just need the rope, right? However, he is not a top-pairing wizard that the Flames somehow let slip through their fingers. I think he MIGHT - if things go well - end up as a decent #4 (again, I am probably one of the bigger Solovyov 'fans' on this forum I think!!), but he would have likely topped-out as a good bottom pairing guy. I am sad to see him go, but it isn't the end of the world.


I also get keeping Miromanov over Solovyov. I think Miromanov put Calgary in a tough situation. He came to camp in the best shape of his life, and tested high. Huska raved about the work he put in this past off-season. So to have done that, and then waived him - I don't agree with the decision, but I understand it.


Hopefully the Flyers just like Bean and/or Miromanov enough to trade Zamula straight-up. Change of scenery swap. I wouldn't be happy adding to get him, as I would just prefer that the Flames play Kuznetsov or Poirier, and see if there is something there. We aren't talking about Zamula potentially being a top pairing or top 4 defencemen - if he does well, he will likely end up being a solution on the bottom pairing, so I wouldn't want to give up any assets for him, and even still, I actually would prefer to see one of the Flames' own young players recalled instead.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, hard to understand why Kuznetsov isn't getting an opportunity. There is obviously something about his game they don't like, but I am not sure what it is.

Why keep him around then.

[Sandman]

I think the problem with Kuz might be a lack of intimidation. He will throw the odd hit to finish a check, but lacks a mean streak and perhaps doesn't always use his size as well as he could- not sure Zamula is much better in that regard.

Apparently, Z is an excellent passer and puck-mover, and owns well-developed handling skill.

[Goriders]

So if this is the case guess they are done experimenting with

Miromanov
Bean
Solivyov
Kuznetsov
Poirier

Log jam will be freeing up

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I think the problem with Kuz might be a lack of intimidation. He will throw the odd hit to finish a check, but lacks a mean streak and perhaps doesn't always use his size as well as he could- not sure Zamula is much better in that regard.

Apparently, Z is an excellent passer and puck-mover, and owns well-developed handling skill.

Kuznetsov seemed like a bit of a reach of a pick. Didn’t scream BPA pick. Rather we need to draft a defenceman. Nothing eye popping, hate taking players who project at bottom pair D or bottom six forwards so high in the draft. Seeing Lohrei and Cuylle go a matter of picks after is cringe.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Kuznetsov seemed like a bit of a reach of a pick. Didn’t scream BPA pick. Rather we need to draft a defenceman. Nothing eye popping, hate taking players who project at bottom pair D or bottom six forwards so high in the draft. Seeing Lohrei and Cuylle go a matter of picks after is cringe.

Did you even know of those players before the draft?

This projection has Kuz at 51, Cullen at 57, and Lorei’s not in the top 100 prospects. Flames also got Poirier in the 3rd when he was ranked 35 in this article.

Hell, this article doesn’t mention any of them except Poirier

https://dobberprospects.com/2020/06/...ngs-june-2020/

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yep. Wanting to get younger and then moving Solovyov, and keeping Miromanov, is still a head scratcher. Solovyov outplayed Miro all through pre-season, and by all account is now playing well with the Avalanche of course. This is literally the opposite of 'always earned, never given'.

Neither of them were in the plans after this season. They could have kept Solovyov and ditched Miro. They could have ditched them both and signed you to a one year deal to replace them. It literally doesn't matter.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Muta

Sportsnet radio. Also...

"HE'S A MINUS PLAYER! HE'S BEEN IN THE PRESSBOX TWICE!!!!!"

-1 over three games, being eased into the Avalanche system playing manageable minutes

lol

And his TOI increased each game

[Ped]

This projection has Kuz at 51, Cullen at 57, and Lorei’s not in the top 100 prospects. Flames also got Poirier in the 3rd when he was ranked 35 in this article.

Kuznetsov and Cuylle were ranked pretty closely by most rankings. Lohrei was 132 by Central Scouting in North American skaters. He was viewed as a reach at the time.


And unless his defence improves (which it could), he's basically Marc-Andre Bergeron - a PP specialist who's a liability at even-strength.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ped

Kuznetsov and Cuylle were ranked pretty closely by most rankings. Lohrei was 132 by Central Scouting in North American skaters. He was viewed as a reach at the time.


And unless his defence improves (which it could), he's basically Marc-Andre Bergeron - a PP specialist who's a liability at even-strength.

Right. I mean, anyone can look back in hindsight but it doesn’t look like the Flames went off the board with Kuznetsov (and he’s looked Ok to me so far).

And if it’s an offensive defence a desired, they picked one of the more highly regarded guys in Poirier (who everyone noted had some huge holes in his game otherwise).

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Did you even know of those players before the draft?

This projection has Kuz at 51, Cullen at 57, and Lorei’s not in the top 100 prospects. Flames also got Poirier in the 3rd when he was ranked 35 in this article.

Hell, this article doesn’t mention any of them except Poirier

https://dobberprospects.com/2020/06/...ngs-june-2020/

If I did know of these players before the draft, I'd hope that I would be working for a NHL team in the capacity of a scout. But I go off the scouting profiles. Good old AI has the following write up

Yan Kuznetsov is a defenseman from Russia, drafted by the Calgary Flames in the second round (50th overall) of the 2020 NHL Entry Draft. Draft profiles highlighted him as a physical, defensive defenseman who uses his size to his advantage, with a playing style described as pro-ready at the time of the draft. His skill set is centered on being a shutdown player rather than an offensive one, with a focus on strong defense and physical play

Again, taking players like this in the 2nd round is frustrating. We are talking bottom pair d which you can find in free agency, replacement level stuff. High end skill in the top of the draft. You want to take swings at defense first shutdown, physical players, have at it at in the bottom half of the draft. My personal thoughts, but I'm just a fan.

As for his ranking - he was all over the map

2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #109 by Elite Prospects
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #123 by FCHockey
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #45 by TSN/Craig Button
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #170 by McKeen's Hockey
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #62 by TSN/McKenzie
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #36 by NHL Central Scouting

So yeah, wasn't a fan of the pick as it seemed like a pick just to take a D after going forward heavy. All that being said, late 2nds are more likely not to make it than make it so not surprised with the trajectory. It's similar to the Wotherspoon pick in 2013. Big body, defence first that didn't pan out (maybe Kuz will, who knows).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If I did know of these players before the draft, I'd hope that I would be working for a NHL team in the capacity of a scout. But I go off the scouting profiles. Good old AI has the following write up

Yan Kuznetsov is a defenseman from Russia, drafted by the Calgary Flames in the second round (50th overall) of the 2020 NHL Entry Draft. Draft profiles highlighted him as a physical, defensive defenseman who uses his size to his advantage, with a playing style described as pro-ready at the time of the draft. His skill set is centered on being a shutdown player rather than an offensive one, with a focus on strong defense and physical play

Again, taking players like this in the 2nd round is frustrating. We are talking bottom pair d which you can find in free agency, replacement level stuff. High end skill in the top of the draft. You want to take swings at defense first shutdown, physical players, have at it at in the bottom half of the draft. My personal thoughts, but I'm just a fan.

As for his ranking - he was all over the map

2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #109 by Elite Prospects
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #123 by FCHockey
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #45 by TSN/Craig Button
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #170 by McKeen's Hockey
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #62 by TSN/McKenzie
2020 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #36 by NHL Central Scouting

So yeah, wasn't a fan of the pick as it seemed like a pick just to take a D after going forward heavy. All that being said, late 2nds are more likely not to make it than make it so not surprised with the trajectory. It's similar to the Wotherspoon pick in 2013. Big body, defence first that didn't pan out (maybe Kuz will, who knows).

It was more talking about the other two guys who you complained weren’t taken. Had you even heard about them before, or are you just going by hindsight because they are the only two D taken letter that have made it?

And you still ignore the fact they got a guy consistently ranking in the top 40 in the third round. Open who is what you wanted - an offensive minded player.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It was more talking about the other two guys who you complained weren’t taken. Had you even heard about them before, or are you just going by hindsight because they are the only two D taken letter that have made it?

And you still ignore the fact they got a guy consistently ranking in the top 40 in the third round. Open who is what you wanted - an offensive minded player.

Yeah, you got me. You’re right. I’m wrong. You win. Kuz was absolutely the right pick. Thank you o wise one for showing me the errors of my ways.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yeah, you got me. You’re right. I’m wrong. You win. Kuz was absolutely the right pick. Thank you o wise one for showing me the errors of my ways.

LOL, put up those straw men.

What I said was you were acting like you were upset they pick him over those two players. When I bet you'd never even heard of them.

Were you upset when they picked Poirier in the 3rd?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL, put up those straw men.

What I said was you were acting like you were upset they pick him over those two players. When I bet you'd never even heard of them.

Were you upset when they picked Poirier in the 3rd?

I don't think it was a bad pick. That said I wonder what does a stay at home D needs to do in the AHL to make the big squad. A guy like Kuzy took decent steps every year, but still ended up on waivers. That's why it seems as though picking guys with limited offense in the 2nd round is a bit of a waste unless you're going to attempt to develop them at the NHL level.

Bahl is a good example for how you develop such a D-men:

        Games Played
Age     NHL    AHL
21      7       27
22      17      54
23      42      3
24      82      0

Kuznetsov also got 1 NHL game as a 21 year-old, but he's now 23 and doesn't seem any closer to getting any NHL action. IMO he needs at least 40 games in the NHL this year or it's a waste of a pick.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I don't think it was a bad pick. That said I wonder what does a stay at home D needs to do in the AHL to make the big squad. A guy like Kuzy took decent steps every year, but still ended up on waivers. That's why it seems as though picking guys with limited offense in the 2nd round is a bit of a waste unless you're going to attempt to develop them at the NHL level.

Bahl is a good example for how you develop such a D-men:

        Games Played
Age     NHL    AHL
21      7       27
22      17      54
23      42      3
24      82      0

Kuznetsov also got 1 NHL game as a 21 year-old, but he's now 23 and doesn't seem any closer to getting any NHL action. IMO he needs at least 40 games in the NHL this year or it's a waste of a pick.

I thought he looked pretty good in preseason frankly. Did his job and made nice outlet passes. I guess the point is that if they picked offensive minded Poirier second round and defensive minded Kuz third, would we still be having any discussion? Even though the results would be exactly the same.