[PGT] Flames lose to Mammoth 3-1

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just don't get the number of drive bys on Farabee.

He's clearly been one of the team's better players in the first five games.

Hopefully the offence comes, but if not he's the next Coleman with his metrics and a solid bottom six (middle six?) piece.

xGF60 3.47 (1st)
xGF% 62.6% (1st)

Huska called him their best player two days ago.

Puzzling to me. Not watching the same things.

His advanced stats are great, they were last year for the most part as well.
But the eye test for me just isn't there.
He's not putting up any points, his linemates aren't putting up any points.
He'd be a great defensive Coleman replacement, but that's about all I see when I watch him play.
We definitely don't need two Colemans, and I'll be honest its a bit harsh to lump him into the "problem" group I'll give you that.

But we have so many "meh" forwards who aren't doing much of anything, you have to wonder what needs to change and there's only a few guys they can move.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Royle9

His advanced stats are great, they were last year for the most part as well.
But the eye test for me just isn't there.
He's not putting up any points, his linemates aren't putting up any points.
He'd be a great defensive Coleman replacement, but that's about all I see when I watch him play.
We definitely don't need two Colemans, and I'll be honest its a bit harsh to lump him into the "problem" group I'll give you that.

But we have so many "meh" forwards who aren't doing much of anything, you have to wonder what needs to change and there's only a few guys they can move.

The solution is to trade Coleman, but that's a deadline thing.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The solution is to trade Coleman, but that's a deadline thing.

Fair, and I agree.
But man does this team have a whole load of bottom 6 forwards and no room for half of them.

I think it was Pinder or Rhett but one of them said on barnburner that this team has a 2nd line and a bunch of 3rd/4th line players on just about any team and that's starting to resonate more and more.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Fair, and I agree.
But man does this team have a whole load of bottom 6 forwards and no room for half of them.

I think it was Pinder or Rhett but one of them said on barnburner that this team has a 2nd line and a bunch of 3rd/4th line players on just about any team and that's starting to resonate more and more.

Sure but if you are suggesting changing that near-term, I think that would very hard and not the right thing long-term.

They have to stay on course and draft well, draft often, and hopefully draft higher.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think most of us knew this team was going to struggle this year, and for the most part people seemed like they were okay with that so long as we had entertaining hockey.

Well... we're 5 games in now 1-4 with a -9 goal differential.
Goalies have been "ok"
Lots of passengers out there
Lots of uninspired hockey to be watched
Enjoy watching the young guys, but we benched the youngest guys for 3 of 5 games now.

I see no reason to panic, if we're not going to be lights out unstoppable I'd much rather avoid mushy middle play we're all accustomed to watch.
I just wish we'd leave the young kids alone and let them play, they're clearly not the problem and this is a season to learn and grow.

I feel like if this keeps up this could be the year to unload a number of veterans looking for that one last shot at a cup:
Andersson
Kadri
Coleman

Then there's another tier of players who don't seem to contribute much at all, and not just for a few games, these guys have been invisible for what seems like forever:

Sharongovich
Farabee
Miromanov

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The bolded is the worst part for me. You know you're not talented enough to win purely on skill, but then you don't show up and put in consistent efforts on top of that? Low skill and lazy is unwatchable hockey. I've been forced to turn games off most nights. I missed their one win in Edmonton because of that, and I think we can all say that was extremely lucky to even get a point out of that game, let alone a win.

This team could easily be winless so far to start the year, and they're definitely better than the effort we've seen so far. And yes, I do think they played way above their head last year, so I'm not expecting anything resembling a playoff team, but this is abysmal.

[SuperMatt18]

Farabee has looked good this year but people are expecting him to be something he's not.

He's not going to be a offensive top 6 forward that wows you with offensive skills.

He's a middle 6 forward that is strong defensively, provides energy, and will score 20 goals but will not be efficient while doing it from a finishing perspective.

Aka a Coleman clone - which is great - especially since he's 8 years younger. He's part of the backlog of wingers right now but that's not on him...that's because guys like Coleman are still around.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just don't get the number of drive bys on Farabee.

He's clearly been one of the team's better players in the first five games.

Hopefully the offence comes, but if not he's the next Coleman with his metrics and a solid bottom six (middle six?) piece.

xGF60 3.47 (1st)
xGF% 62.6% (1st)

Huska called him their best player two days ago.

Puzzling to me. Not watching the same things.

You're not wrong and it is good to see that he's bouncing back and finding his game in Calgary. He could be a Coleman lite albeit without the same offensive game....if and when the Flames ever decide to move on from the texas tiger.

It still doesn't excuse the fact that it is an incredibly sad thing if Farabee is one of your best players, when in reality he should be a third line 40 point guy on a deep, competitive team.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There’s no way the are doing it minus using capspace.

Hopefully they don’t go down that path, draft and develop from within. Historically the flames are not patient in rebuilds so I’m fully expecting UFA overpays over the next 2 summers

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Playing armchair psychologist but I hope we get hubie back soon because I think we need him to calm kadri down. Kadri has seemed a bit petulant to me towards his linemates.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If he is the next Coleman, great. Play him that way.

No need to play him on the first line and PP1. As a reward sometimes, or when the team needs a kick, sure. Huska has stapled him into spots where he doesn't belong, although that is starting to change.

Folks lamenting the lack of goals see that and get upset. Farabee has unsustainably bad shooting. When that passes, fine. But for now use him where the other parts of his game still work.

Until then, in the wrong spot, Farabee is an easy target for criticism.

Easy maybe.

Misguided definitely.

I wouldn't start the hit list with players that consistently out work the opposition and drive play.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The bolded is the worst part for me. You know you're not talented enough to win purely on skill, but then you don't show up and put in consistent efforts on top of that? Low skill and lazy is unwatchable hockey. I've been forced to turn games off most nights. I missed their one win in Edmonton because of that, and I think we can all say that was extremely lucky to even get a point out of that game, let alone a win.

This team could easily be winless so far to start the year, and they're definitely better than the effort we've seen so far. And yes, I do think they played way above their head last year, so I'm not expecting anything resembling a playoff team, but this is abysmal.

I thought last night was the only poor effort I've seen and I chalk a lot of that up to the schedule. I thought they hung pretty well with Vegas. Note: I missed the Blues game.

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

His advanced stats are great, they were last year for the most part as well.
But the eye test for me just isn't there.
He's not putting up any points, his linemates aren't putting up any points.
He'd be a great defensive Coleman replacement, but that's about all I see when I watch him play.
We definitely don't need two Colemans, and I'll be honest its a bit harsh to lump him into the "problem" group I'll give you that.

But we have so many "meh" forwards who aren't doing much of anything, you have to wonder what needs to change and there's only a few guys they can move.

It's just production if I was to guess.

The eye test would see him in the offensive zone more often than not creating traffic and shot flow towards the net.

[Bonded]

Not surprised to see a regression. They were playing way above their heads last season and that is hard to sustain. We will see if they can pull back into it but might be in the cusp of the next wave of asset selling.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Fair, and I agree.
But man does this team have a whole load of bottom 6 forwards and no room for half of them.

I think it was Pinder or Rhett but one of them said on barnburner that this team has a 2nd line and a bunch of 3rd/4th line players on just about any team and that's starting to resonate more and more.

I think it's more a lot of middle six forwards. The only clear 4th liners are Lomberg and Kirkland. I see 2nd and 3rd line roles for almost everyone else. The only players I see as having top line potential are three or four guys who could be there in a supporting role with superior linemates. Though Gridin might surprise me and be a self sufficient top liner.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Huberdeau is not the worst contract on the team. Sharangovich is.

Farabee not far behind. But at least he adds some value.

Look at Sharangovich's first year where he scored 30. He was getting into the slot and getting that amazing wrister off. He was always going to the prime scoring areas. Then in the offseason in an interview he said he wanted to get better defensively and play more like what the coach wants. Now he never goes to those high danger spots on the ice and shoots everything from the perimeter. Success, he is now playing more like what the coach wants. Shoot from the he perimeter and pray for a lucky shot or a juicy rebound.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Easy maybe.

Misguided definitely.

I wouldn't start the hit list with players that consistently out work the opposition and drive play.

Even as a placeholder for Huby, 1st line minutes means 1st line expectations.

Skate around and create all the havok you want. Season and pre-season combined he has little to show for all that work. It's a results business, he has bad results. Low points and goals are not being scored when he is on the ice.

He belongs on the 3rd line wing, where he will probably thrive.

You wanted to know why people are piling on him, that's why. Disagree if you want, but I think it's justified/fair and goes in the Farabee and/or Huska criticism list.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at Sharangovich's first year where he scored 30. He was getting into the slot and getting that amazing wrister off. He was always going to the prime scoring areas. Then in the offseason in an interview he said he wanted to get better defensively and play more like what the coach wants. Now he never goes to those high danger spots on the ice and shoots everything from the perimeter. Success, he is now playing more like what the coach wants. Shoot from the he perimeter and pray for a lucky shot or a juicy rebound.

I don't think that's what the coach wants.
Every coach wants their players getting to the inside for chances.
Just because that is what Sharky is doing, doesn't mean that's what the coach wants him to do.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But I didn't see any open nets missed. They didn't generate a lot and they were obviously sluggish in the second.

There were 2-3 in the third period alone.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think that's what the coach wants.
Every coach wants their players getting to the inside for chances.
Just because that is what Sharky is doing, doesn't mean that's what the coach wants him to do.

Everything is Huska’s fault