[Signing] Wild sign Kaprizov to record setting contract extension (8 yrs, $17 mil AAV)

[dino7c]

Pretty sure everyone knows the player...he has been over 100 points exactly one time in his career partially because he hasn't played many full seasons (which isn't a good thing)

Marner has 450 points in the last 5 seasons
Kaprizov 386 points in the last 5 seasons

If you think this is a good deal fine...please spare us the condescending nonsense though a player who has scored far more points signed for 12M in the same offseason, its not because we dont know hockey players. It was great when he scored 3 points yesterday...too bad they allowed 7 goals to Columbus.

[cam_calderon]

What would CP be without the jaw dropping condescension though? Posters describing others as "armchair GMs" over a previously amicable difference of opinion.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pretty sure everyone knows the player...he has been over 100 points exactly one time in his career partially because he hasn't played many full seasons (which isn't a good thing)

Marner has 450 points in the last 5 seasons
Kaprizov 386 points in the last 5 seasons

If you think this is a good deal fine...please spare us the condescending nonsense though a player who has scored far more points signed for 12M in the same offseason, its not because we dont know hockey players. It was great when he scored 3 points yesterday...too bad they allowed 7 goals to Columbus.

Why do you even care so much? If the Wild want to overpay a little to keep their franchise player what difference does it make to you? If they overpaid by 1, 2, or even 3 million they're likely better off keeping him than letting him go. It's about more than just his production.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Why do you even care so much? If the Wild want to overpay a little to keep their franchise player what difference does it make to you? If they overpaid by 1, 2, or even 3 million they're likely better off keeping him than letting him go. It's about more than just his production.

I dont care so much its a hockey forum and we are discussing the biggest contract in hockey history...in fact I prefer if a rival team overpays.

I had to clap back at the "If you disagree you must not know hockey" posts.

Its also a bit rich coming from you lol

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pretty sure everyone knows the player...he has been over 100 points exactly one time in his career partially because he hasn't played many full seasons (which isn't a good thing)

Marner has 450 points in the last 5 seasons
Kaprizov 386 points in the last 5 seasons

If you think this is a good deal fine...please spare us the condescending nonsense though a player who has scored far more points signed for 12M in the same offseason, its not because we dont know hockey players. It was great when he scored 3 points yesterday...too bad they allowed 7 goals to Columbus.

It's not concedcensing nonsense. Nonsense is bringing up Marner's stats. You let me know if you think Marner is still over a PPG player playing on a line for five seasons with Zuccarello on that team. Nonsense is trying to play down the merits of the player who's clearly one of the best in the NHL. You clearly don't understand the worth of Kaprizov to the Wild and it's not condescending to tell you. Everyone realizes it's an overpay relative to other contracts, but the difference is realizing that he's worth the overpay to the Wild. They are a much better team with him than without him so if you really wanted a rival team to get worse you would have been more happy with them letting him walk than retaining him.

[BigThief]

Sorry Dino but Marner is not the same level of Kaprisov.

[Mitch]

I can't help but think we wouldn't be having these discussions if Kaprizov was a Canadian/American player.

[jayswin]

Only 1 point his third game, just on pace for 191 points now. Bust.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I can't help but think we wouldn't be having these discussions if Kaprizov was a Canadian/American player.

I think we would because the highest paid player in the league who's not the best player or even top 3 in the league would be discussed regardless of his nationality. It's not his fault McDavid is kind of dull in thinking he owed the Oilers a massive discount on his services as McDavid should be the highest paid player in the history of the NHL right now but it is what it is. He's the Wild's best player and in a league where there's plenty of non-difference makers making $5+ million (Flames are paying over $10 million for Sharangovich and Farabee). I still don't have an issue with the contract as for the Wild, Kaprizov is the difference between contending for the division and not making the playoffs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think we would because the highest paid player in the league who's not the best player or even top 3 in the league would be discussed regardless of his nationality. It's not his fault McDavid is kind of dull in thinking he owed the Oilers a massive discount on his services as McDavid should be the highest paid player in the history of the NHL right now but it is what it is. He's the Wild's best player and in a league where there's plenty of non-difference makers making $5+ million (Flames are paying over $10 million for Sharangovich and Farabee). I still don't have an issue with the contract as for the Wild, Kaprizov is the difference between contending for the division and not making the playoffs.

Kaprizov is a top 5 player IMO. McDavid, Makar, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Kaprizov. And outside of McDavid, they all signed 3-5 years ago.

There aren't a lot of comparables for him: Kucherov and Panarin will be except they are going to be 33 and 34. Marner signed for less but he's playing in a non tax state, for a perennial contender, and he's not quite as good. Rantaten is similar. Draisaitl, except he had to make room for his buddy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kaprizov is a top 5 player IMO. McDavid, Makar, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Kaprizov. And outside of McDavid, they all signed 3-5 years ago.

There aren't a lot of comparables for him: Kucherov and Panarin will be except they are going to be 33 and 34. Marner signed for less but he's playing in a non tax state, for a perennial contender, and he's not quite as good. Rantaten is similar. Draisaitl, except he had to make room for his buddy.

I agree with you. Like I said before, a lot of fans don't realize just how good of a player he is. People talked about the McDavid and how he had the Oilers over a barrel where he would dictate the terms of his contract and he did taking only two years when you know they would have loved to lock him up for 8 at his asking price. The Kaprizov situation with the Wild was the same thing when you consider worth to the franchise and in this instance the player took the money and term. It's just the reality when a team's best player is a year away from free agency that the team either pays the ask or ends up moving forward without their best player which rarely ever ends up working out.

[CliffFletcher]

Kaprizov isn’t just elite offensively. He’s forechecks hard, battles for pucks, practices hard, and does the little stuff well. He’s a lot more like McKinnon than Panarin or Kucherov.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think we would because the highest paid player in the league who's not the best player or even top 3 in the league would be discussed regardless of his nationality. It's not his fault McDavid is kind of dull in thinking he owed the Oilers a massive discount on his services as McDavid should be the highest paid player in the history of the NHL right now but it is what it is. He's the Wild's best player and in a league where there's plenty of non-difference makers making $5+ million (Flames are paying over $10 million for Sharangovich and Farabee). I still don't have an issue with the contract as for the Wild, Kaprizov is the difference between contending for the division and not making the playoffs.

Thanks for pointing out the Sharangovich and Farabee $$$'s...

I still can't believe we didn't give JG13 his money, and then Tkachuk went out the door. Second time in club history...MacInnis...Joe Nieuwendyk.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Thanks for pointing out the Sharangovich and Farabee $$$'s...

I still can't believe we didn't give JG13 his money, and then Tkachuk went out the door. Second time in club history...MacInnis...Joe Nieuwendyk.

We did give him his money.
All of it.
Everything he wanted.
And then he changed his mind.

I also think Macinnis was going either way. There was some bad blood between him and the Flames at the time, and he chose to sign with the Blues, which then led to the Housley deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Sorry Dino but Marner is not the same level of Kaprisov.

totally missed the point...Marner has outscored him, mainly because he hasn't been able to stay healthy but he scored more points...maybe you guys don't know Marner who led the league in take aways?

Everyone knows Kaprisov is a great player...he has been over 100 points how many times? ONE
Why? injury concerns mostly

To just gloss over it and say he was the best player in the NHL for two months so he should be the highest paid player in the NHL by 3M is kinda dumb. It will be a while before this contract is topped.

If you guys want to do points per $$ we can do that too....this won't age that well IMO, and its not because I don't know the player its because I actually do. I think he will struggle to play 82 a lot based on historical data and age.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To just gloss over it and say he was the best player in the NHL for two months so he should be the highest paid player in the NHL by 3M is kinda dumb..

People were saying he should be the highest the paid player in the league by 3 mil? I don't recall reading anything like that. It's been more that he did get this contract because of holding the Wild over a barrel and that it's fine for the Wild because of where they are in their build, and where they'd go if they lost him to UFA this summer (into another rebuild).

He's an elite player, arguably top 5 forward in the game. If you're a cold, non destination market like Calgary, Minnesota etc and you have that player and it costs $17mil AAV in a new cap era of constantly rising amounts each season, you sign that and be happy.

I wish the Flames were our roster + Kaprisov at $17AAV, rather than what we have + praying that by some dumb luck we get an elite forward in the draft that lines up with Wolf's prime.

[dino7c]

If anyone says anything bad about the contract its "you must not know the player"

I know he has one over 100 point season in his career...lets see if he stays healthy into his 30s. I mean the contract doesn't even start until next year. Maybe lets wait and see its going next season and beyond before the high fiving and back pats.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think we would because the highest paid player in the league who's not the best player or even top 3 in the league would be discussed regardless of his nationality. It's not his fault McDavid is kind of dull in thinking he owed the Oilers a massive discount on his services as McDavid should be the highest paid player in the history of the NHL right now but it is what it is. He's the Wild's best player and in a league where there's plenty of non-difference makers making $5+ million (Flames are paying over $10 million for Sharangovich and Farabee). I still don't have an issue with the contract as for the Wild, Kaprizov is the difference between contending for the division and not making the playoffs.

I think you misinterpreted his point. I believe he was suggesting that before the contract debacle Kaprisov would be more of a household name and his stats and contributions way more recognized due to media here focusing on star Canadian players through the draft, into Team Canada camps/tournaments, etc.

So therefore the reactions to the contract would have been more "okay, wow that's a lot, but yes I know the player well and how many points he's scored along with what he provides away from the puck. He's a top tier, elite forward, but man that's a lot!!". Rather than the abundance of "Who the **** is this guy and why is he getting a contract like this?" "How is some guy I've never heard of suddenly the best paid player in the game?!".

Likely doesn't happen to a Canadian player with the way our media makes sure we are super familiar with Canadian born stars.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I think you misinterpreted his point. I believe he talking about before the contract debacle that Kaprisov would be more of a household name and his stats and contributions way more recognized due to media here focusing on star Canadian players through the draft, into Team Canada camps/tournaments.

So therefore the reactions to the contract would have been more "okay, wow that's a lot, but yes I know the player well and how many points he's scor4ed along with what he provides away from the puck. He's a top tier, elite forward, but man what a contract!!". Rather than the abundance of "Who the **** is this guy and why is he getting a contract like this" "How is some guy I've never heard of suddenly the best player in the game?!".

Likely doesn't happen to a Canadian player with the way our media makes sure we are super familiar with Canadian born stars.

"It's just a matter of some Flames fans not necessarily plugged into the rest of the NHL as others. People that pay attention to the rest of the NHL know he's one of the best players in the game and worth every penny"

This is the quote that started the debate...not the lite version you are talking about....we all know this player can put up points when healthy. He is not known with the big boys because he has never won any scoring titles, championships, playoff rounds ect.

Its not because we are such Flames fans we can't see the amazing talent lol...Like this is the highest contract in the NHL for a while, probably years. Anyway this doesn't need to be debated now, it doesn't even start for another year...In 4 or 5 years we can get a read if it was smart to give a player whatever he wanted because he had you over a barrel.

[jayswin]

The two ways to become a household name to Canadians in the NHL through Sportsnet/TSN is be a star on Canadian team or be Canadian. Either of those two gets your name and accomplishment jammed down our throats and we'll be super familiar with you.