[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[ForeverFlameFan]

Robertson is a fantastic player, and I think we are underrating his value completely if we think we are just getting him with only Andersson and Coleman. Even if the add is Vegas' 1st or a top prospect, I think we are still off by quite a bit. Robertson is not the guy to mortgage the future for. He's still an RFA and is going to want 12-13m.

Trade Andersson and Coleman at the TDL separately. I still think Dallas would offer a future 1st for Coleman at 50% retention. They're going to need every penny of cap.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Robertson is a fantastic player, and I think we are underrating his value completely if we think we are just getting him with only Andersson and Coleman. Even if the add is Vegas' 1st or a top prospect, I think we are still off by quite a bit. Robertson is not the guy to mortgage the future for. He's still an RFA and is going to want 12-13m.

Trade Andersson and Coleman at the TDL separately. I still think Dallas would offer a future 1st for Coleman at 50% retention. They're going to need every penny of cap.

Rantanen was worth Necas, Jack Drury and 2nd and a 4th. Rantanen is a better player than Robertson.

Suspect Rasmus and Coleman is pretty close to fair value. Coleman is significantly better than Drury more than making up whatever difference there may be between Rasmus and Necas. Maybe throw in a 4th to get it done if the Flames really want to get it done.

[CliffFletcher]

The Stars are at the top of their cycle and trying to win now. I just don’t see them moving out a core top-scorer for a couple supporting pieces. Especially not mid-season.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Rantanen was worth Necas, Jack Drury and 2nd and a 4th. Rantanen is a better player than Robertson.

Suspect Rasmus and Coleman is pretty close to fair value. Coleman is significantly better than Drury more than making up whatever difference there may be between Rasmus and Necas. Maybe throw in a 4th to get it done if the Flames really want to get it done.

Necas was a PPG winger with term. Andersson is a pending UFA that Dallas would have trouble extending to a reasonable cap hit. I am just not seeing it. Andersson's value is not the same that it used to be. I would guess any trade that we have with Andersson, assuming if traded today (because I firmly believe he is better than what he has been in the last couple of years), it might be a cond. 1st attached plus whatever is added to that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Necas was a PPG winger with term. Andersson is a pending UFA that Dallas would have trouble extending to a reasonable cap hit. I am just not seeing it.

Well Necas had one year of term in addition to the year he was traded. Not sure the value of that term but it would have value. Drury is far far inferior to Coleman who has more term than anyone in the original Rantanen trade.

Necas was a PPG winger for one season of his career. He is a good player but it is not like he was a long term PPG player, definitely was a risk he would go back to his normal 40-60 point history.

I think fans undervalue the value of winning vis-a-vis the value of picks and prospects. Not saying the Stars will trade Robertson but there is a reason why for the majority of NHL teams players that help them win now are far far more valuable than picks and prospects. Rasmus and Coleman are both players that fulfill the win now criteria that 70% or more of GM’s value more than picks and prospects.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

That's my exact fear. What if we end up with 2 Huberdeaus.

Deux-berdeaus.

[dino7c]

I wish the Flames had one Huberdeau right now

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Getting Huberdeau for $8.5M for 6 years would not look good to any team.

Dallas is willing to consider trading Robertson to reset their cap. They are not trading him to get about $16M + in older assets. They would want a guy like Coronato to headline the deal.

And I ccan’t imagine why Robertson is signing an extension with Calgary, unless it’s a huge payday like Kaprizov.

Getting Robertson and dumping Huberdeau the same time?

Huberdeau just put up 28 goals. That is easily in the "good" range for someone making $8.5M under the new cap structure. He would be costing them 30% less than Rantanen and half the cost of Kaprizov.

Dallas could ask for Coronato instead but then the Flames pull everything else off of the table and then instead of 3 players and $20M in value they get a 1:1 trade and miss out on the one asset they originally wanted: Andersson.

Also, I am not sure I would do a 1:1 trade between Robertson and Coronato. Robertson might be better but Coronato might be better. We simply do not know yet as Coronato is just getting started but I feel pretty good about him being able to make it to 30+ goals and he is cost controlled for 6 years more than Robertson.

My hot take is that I think the contract situation make Coronato more valuable than Robertson.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But there is a third choice, in not signing Robertson for $14M and not trading for Huberdeau.

Trade him for younger and cheaper assets, which is the reason he was being shopped in the first place.

What younger, cheaper first line LW and top 4 RD options do you think exist on the same team and are available to trade to the Stars in a single transaction? Name one team able to make a package that looks like that and then maybe you will have a point.

There are only 32 teams to look at, so it shouldn't be too hard to check them all and see that package is hard to put together. They might be able to get a 1:1 deal between Robertson and a younger LW with load of upside but I doubt you can get that top 4 RD out of any of those teams.

[troutman]

Do not want Jason. Will be 27 next summer which is apex age for most NHL forwards. Not sure he is effective in heavy playoff games.

We need picks and blue chip prospects.

[browntrout]

Robertson is not the player this team needs right, either trade for a number one center, or draft one, that should be there entire focus right now

[Rutuu]

Feels like 07 - 09 Oiler's in here.

Robertson feels like Thomas Vanek or Danny Heatley.

2010 the Fall for Hall happened. By 2015 they had the McDavid lottery balls.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Robertson is not the player this team needs right, either trade for a number one center, or draft one, that should be there entire focus right now

Number one centers are almost never available through trades or even free agency, and when they are available, more than half the teams in the league are bidding on them. You need to draft them and typically with a top three or top five 1st rounder. I just don't see the Flames finishing low enough to get a real shot at that, not with a prime Wolf.

I think the best we can hope for is to build a reasonably competitive team without a number one center, like in the Iginla and Gaudreau/Tkachuk years, and pray that we can at least find a top line pretender at center like a Conroy or Lindholm.

I like Robertson, I don't know if he would be the right fit or not, but we can't let good be the enemy of perfect, otherwise we could wait another generation for a true number one center.

[PepsiFree]

We must do nothing else until we trade for or draft a number one center. Trade for no one else. Sign no one else. Draft no one else.

[Monahammer]

Robertson would be the most likely piece we could trade for a 1c if we were convinced we were going the trade route to secure one.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Wolven

What younger, cheaper first line LW and top 4 RD options do you think exist on the same team and are available to trade to the Stars in a single transaction? Name one team able to make a package that looks like that and then maybe you will have a point.
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Why is that limitation though? The Stars can use assets to trade for a RD and then trade Robertson for futures/younger players etc. Weird box to try and make a trade make sense. Conroy was apparently willing to take Hague and a 1st from Vegas, so Bischel and a 1st should get it done as well.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Robertson would be the most likely piece we could trade for a 1c if we were convinced we were going the trade route to secure one.

A Hamilton 2.0 sequence would be amazing.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Huberdeau just put up 28 goals. That is easily in the "good" range for someone making $8.5M under the new cap structure. He would be costing them 30% less than Rantanen and half the cost of Kaprizov.

Dallas could ask for Coronato instead but then the Flames pull everything else off of the table and then instead of 3 players and $20M in value they get a 1:1 trade and miss out on the one asset they originally wanted: Andersson.

Also, I am not sure I would do a 1:1 trade between Robertson and Coronato. Robertson might be better but Coronato might be better. We simply do not know yet as Coronato is just getting started but I feel pretty good about him being able to make it to 30+ goals and he is cost controlled for 6 years more than Robertson.

My hot take is that I think the contract situation make Coronato more valuable than Robertson.



What younger, cheaper first line LW and top 4 RD options do you think exist on the same team and are available to trade to the Stars in a single transaction? Name one team able to make a package that looks like that and then maybe you will have a point.

There are only 32 teams to look at, so it shouldn't be too hard to check them all and see that package is hard to put together. They might be able to get a 1:1 deal between Robertson and a younger LW with load of upside but I doubt you can get that top 4 RD out of any of those teams.

You can bang the Huberdeau drum all you want, but no team is placing value on him with that anchor contract attached to him.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Robertson is not the player this team needs right, either trade for a number one center, or draft one, that should be there entire focus right now

The team just drafted two guys who they’re hoping against all hope could turn into top line centers…what should they do now? Sit around and twiddle their thumbs?

[Sofa GM]

There is a lot of delusion about Robertson’s value here. They laugh out loud at Andersson as the base of the deal before Conroy gets it out. Someone brought up Coronato….. Dallas probably asks for Andersson + Coronato and then they may listen but even that isn’t a sure thing. If they want to move of from Robertson there will be a lot of takers.

Again, Andersson has to stop getting valued as a top pair dman. His point totals have dropped year over year and his defensive play is far from shut down.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We must do nothing else until we trade for or draft a number one center. Trade for no one else. Sign no one else. Draft no one else.

I'd trade Wolf.