[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[FranksandBean]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I think Robertson would be a really exciting acquisition. If the Stars and the player are unable to get close on his next contract then it makes sense for them to move him but there are 3 paths forward for the Stars:

1) Sign Robertson to a big extension (probably $12+M AAV) - This would be good because it locks up their core players for the long run
2) Go to arbitration and sign Robertson for 1 year - This would keep their core together for this season and next and then Robertson walks to UFA (or they try and find a trade partner before he walks)
3) Trade Robertson now and make the contract negotiations someone else's problem

Thing is, if Robertson is being traded out, the Stars need a #1LW, #2LW, and #1/2RD and cap space to fit them all on the roster. That is a tough shopping list.

What do people think value wise about the below trade?

Dallas;
Andersson (without extension)
Zary
Karins

Calgary;
Robertson (with extension)

[Monahammer]

If we can get Robertson its an absolutely incredible acquisition in our position.

I, personally, hope we would take that opportunity and leverage it into a trade to really secure the clubs future. But even just acquiring and playing Robertson would be frankly far better than anything else we could expect.
I dont even think we should dare hope for this.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by really?

This is the reality of a potential acquisition. If the Flames were pursuing such an acquisition it almost certainly ends poorly for the team. The Stars appear to be handling this properly, so if a deal is made it’s before the deadline this year and it will cost significant assets. Andersson, + 1st, +, is the likely cost at this time, and the 1st, +, seems to be about what an expected return could be for Robertson as a rental next season. That’s giving away Andersson for a few months of Robertson. That’s might work for a handful of contenders, but that isn’t where this team is.

I have more faith in the current management group than to think they get in this pool. If Conroy did entertain such a deal it would signal to me that he’s being tasked with winning now and incomplete builds tend to result in more building. I trust all involved in the process know this.

What? The only way Conroy is trading for Robertson is if there is an agreed upon extension with the trade, lol. I thought that went without saying. He would not trade for Robertson as a rental, man.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Ya, I keep coming back to my last proposition which was booed down pretty quick.

Andersson (50%) + Huberdeau (20%) + LW prospect (Stromgren?)

for

Robertson + Bischel + Lyubushkin

Stars get a cost controlled first line LWer with 6 years of control who just put up a 28 goal season and will probably put up a lot more points on a stacked Stars team along with a top 4 RD who can help address the gap in the Stars D group. Stromgren (or whoever we need to put in that LW prospect spot) will likely get a chance in the NHL immediately to see if they can take the #2LW spot.

Also, the Stars get over $20M in cap space between the retention of $2M per year for 6 years of Huberdeau, $2.4M for 1 year of Andersson, and the cap dump of $3.25M for 2 years of Lyubushkin. Because of the amount of money the Flames are gifting the Stars, I do not think a better LW prospect is needed. Having a cost controlled Huberdeau would also give the Stars enough cap space to extend Andersson, Harley, Lundvkist, and Bourque (unless Bourque has a massive breakout year).

Flames get Robertson and Bischel (and have to figure out what to do with Lyubushkin for 2 years).

Depending on how you view the value of the $20M in cap space I think it balances pretty well.

That's an absolute balderdash trade proposal, my man. Crazy stuff.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Pretty bad for the Stars. They’d just sign Robertson instead of taking on Huberdeau’s contract.

If they were just going to sign Robertson then we wouldn't be talking about him specifically not signing with the Stars.

Either he does not like something about the organization or he wants a massive pay day... or both. Getting Huberdeau at $8.5M might look pretty good compared to Robertson at $14M.

[really?]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No way Conroy trades for Robertson without an extension agreed upon. He isn't that dumb.

I would hope so, but if that’s the case there is no need to talk with Dallas. This team hasn’t made the playoffs for a couple of years and there are a number of key pieces on the back side of their careers. Can’t imagine that would be a place Robertson would consider. The Flames have some nice young possibilities, but I would have to imagine Robertson is looking to move to a contender or hometown if he’s extending.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by really?

I would hope so, but if that’s the case there is no need to talk with Dallas. This team hasn’t made the playoffs for a couple of years and there are a number of key pieces on the back side of their careers. Can’t imagine that would be a place Robertson would consider. The Flames have some nice young possibilities, but I would have to imagine Robertson is looking to move to a contender or hometown if he’s extending.

Established players are more than likely not looking at cgy as a destination. Younger players stuck behind vets looking for oppurtunity. Or older vets looking for a payday. That’s probably the wheelhouse.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wolven

If they were just going to sign Robertson then we wouldn't be talking about him specifically not signing with the Stars.

Either he does not like something about the organization or he wants a massive pay day... or both. Getting Huberdeau at $8.5M might look pretty good compared to Robertson at $14M.

Getting Huberdeau for $8.5M for 6 years would not look good to any team.

Dallas is willing to consider trading Robertson to reset their cap. They are not trading him to get about $16M + in older assets. They would want a guy like Coronato to headline the deal.

And I ccan’t imagine why Robertson is signing an extension with Calgary, unless it’s a huge payday like Kaprizov.

Getting Robertson and dumping Huberdeau the same time?

[Sandman]

I might just be experiencing Huberdeau PTSD, but I can't get over the feeling that Robertson would take a massive nosedive if we acquired him.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I might just be experiencing Huberdeau PTSD, but I can't get over the feeling that Robertson would take a massive nosedive if we acquired him.

He’s not a great skater.

[browntrout]

Any trade for Robertson, involves Huberdeau gone, most teams don't pay that much to two wingers

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I might just be experiencing Huberdeau PTSD, but I can't get over the feeling that Robertson would take a massive nosedive if we acquired him.

That's my exact fear. What if we end up with 2 Huberdeaus.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Any trade for Robertson, involves Huberdeau gone, most teams don't pay that much to two wingers

The price for making these two things happen should be an absolute non starter for this team.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I might just be experiencing Huberdeau PTSD, but I can't get over the feeling that Robertson would take a massive nosedive if we acquired him.

Hard to pin down any obvious reason, but yeah, he strikes me as exactly the type of trade or signing teams end up regretting.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sorry you dont hate the Oilers as much as I do. He is the last link to that debacle.

You have an irrational hate for a heart and soul player (you always have one on the go) and now if we don't agree it's our problem because we don't hate the Oilers as much as you? Just not as committed to a rivalry I guess.

Maybe take a beat.

[Monahammer]

Robertson has 3 points, 2 goals in 2 games so far this season. I dont think theres any chance Dallas trades him.

I call balderdash on him falling back elsewhere too, and the comparison to Huby. Huberdeau has always been a player who makes other players around him better, but also needs and feeds off of having talented team mates. All the way back to junior he was better sharing the stage. It also took him quite a while to work into an offensive juggernaut in florida, ultimately it seems because it took them a while to design a perfect offense for him.

Robertson has always been the opposite. Hes absolutely a straw that stirs the drink hes in. Hes making offense alone pretty often.

I think the stars become much weaker up front without him, another reason they won't do it. They dont even have a great LW waiting to replace him in the club. If they're dumb enough to trade him to us we should absolutely take advantage.

[Flamesfan05]

Not sure why people are debating Robertson

The Flames dont have the resources to get him unless they mortgage their future


And yeah, they ain’t getting him for Huberdeau or Andersson and changes

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wolven

If they were just going to sign Robertson then we wouldn't be talking about him specifically not signing with the Stars.

Either he does not like something about the organization or he wants a massive pay day... or both. Getting Huberdeau at $8.5M might look pretty good compared to Robertson at $14M.

But there is a third choice, in not signing Robertson for $14M and not trading for Huberdeau.

Trade him for younger and cheaper assets, which is the reason he was being shopped in the first place.

[Poe969]

Trade Anderson and Coleman retained for futures based and cap dump. Getting Robertson would add skill up front but the loss of Anderson would make it a wash because the D would be terribad. The Flames would just end up in the same range of not being good enough and not being bad enough.

There is no quick fix for this team, the only way the Flames should be picking up current star players is if it's for spare parts/quantity.

Get pieces that help the team in the future (2-3 years), this team is fun to watch but not good enough to push your chips all in on.

[Vinny01]

Not interested in Robertson I think this team needs to draft their stars before they try and trade for some. I think Robertson could argue the high end winger deal that Marner, Rantanen, Connor signed so that’s $12Mx8

Flames with Huberdeau at $10.5 should only be prioritizing those type of deals for centers or Dmen.

If the Flames can trade Andersson+Coleman for Robertson I would do it without an extension and if he completely lights it up here then you look at it but ultimately a pump and dump sign and trade would make some sense and could net the flames more than trading Andersson and Coleman respectively on their own