[PGT] Flames beat the NG in a shootout 4-3

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

How did the young saviours is Savoie and Howard look for the oil?

I thought Howard did way better than his lackluster preseason showing. I didn't even know Savoie was playing until his shootout attempt.

Of all the new faces in the Oilers' team, I thought Tomasek had a good game. Special shoutout to Managiapane for scoring a goal, but aside from that I believe he got caved quite a bit 5v5. Doesn't seem to be the same 5v5 player we once had, maybe Backlund and Coleman were the reason for it.

[activeStick]

From an Oiler fan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1976139129986613448

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ras has good shootout stats. Not a stretch at all.

Yeah, I get his percentages are good, it's just a small sample. I also think his toolbox is more limited, despite some good initial stats.

He wouldn't be in my top 5 as far as options on the Flames. Guys who are your best shooters/have the best handles have more to work with.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

39 shootout attempts is not a small sample size. Kadri will never get to 100.

I don't think that's the point.. I think it is more that any look at shooting % for the shoot-out is skewed because they all have a small sample size. IF Kadri took 100 shots and Kirkland took 100 shots, it could be expected that Kadri would score more based on their comparative skill sets, so putting Kirkland over Kadri seems counterintuitive based on their relative success. I agree that 39 attempts isn't small for the situation, but 4 or 8 definitely is.

However, I also trust that the coaches are smart enough to realize this as well and are not solely utilizing players based on shooting % but also on how each player has looked in practice, their confidence on the night, etc.

[Itse]

Would be great to see Gridin stick around, and wouldn't be surprised if that happens. On a team with only three 20+ goal scorers last season, a player with a good shot and the skill to use it is likely to get every chance to succeed.

Possible feelgood story of the season emerging

[AC]

Originally Posted by troutman

You misunderstand me. 4 attempts for Kirk and 8 for Rasmus is small sample size. I bet in 100 attempts Kadri would be better.

Kirkland is also 22/35 in the shootout in the AHL. He's a legitimate specialist.

I think you're over thinking this as both historical data and recent results for the Flames all suggest Kadri is actually rather bad at the shootout. 8th place was right for him last night, and he'll likely get moved up the order next time as a result of his goal.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Itse

Would be great to see Gridin stick around, and wouldn't be surprised if that happens. On a team with only three 20+ goal scorers last season, a player with a good shot and the skill to use it is likely to get every chance to succeed.

Possible feelgood story of the season emerging

Based on what I'm hearing from my sources I'm also thinking Gridin stays up. And when I say "my sources" , I'm referring to Steinberg and when I say, "I'm hearing", I'm referring to me listening to Flames Talk.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by activeStick

From an Oiler fan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1976139129986613448

It's a somewhat fair stance.

Last night Wolf trounced Skinner, and that was the biggest difference in the game.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought Howard did way better than his lackluster preseason showing. I didn't even know Savoie was playing until his shootout attempt.

Of all the new faces in the Oilers' team, I thought Tomasek had a good game. Special shoutout to Managiapane for scoring a goal, but aside from that I believe he got caved quite a bit 5v5. Doesn't seem to be the same 5v5 player we once had, maybe Backlund and Coleman were the reason for it.

Mang was great on that goal but that was the only shift I noticed him all game. I agree that Howard looked a lot better than he did in the preseason, but I think it'll be a tall ask for him to get anywhere close to 40 points this year. He would really benefit from a season in the AHL.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by activeStick

From an Oiler fan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1976139129986613448

[Beninho]

https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status...047868229?s=46

Gridin’s underlying stats matched the eye test. Very nice start from the rookie! I also thought he could have been credited for an assist on the Zary goal.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by activeStick

From an Oiler fan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1976139129986613448

I don't think he likes Stuart Skinner.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by activeStick

From an Oiler fan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1976139129986613448

I thought Ingram was supposed to be their savior? They sure were begging for him when he got put on waivers.

[mogg]

Honourable mention to Evan Bouchard for getting absolutely walked by a teenager playing his first NHL shift and being instrumental in the Flames’ third goal. *chef’s kiss*

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by troutman

You misunderstand me. 4 attempts for Kirk and 8 for Rasmus is small sample size. I bet in 100 attempts Kadri would be better.

Well it doesnt make much sense still, Kadri has had 40. Kirkland also beat Helle last week in the SO

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status...047868229?s=46

Gridin’s underlying stats matched the eye test. Very nice start from the rookie! I also thought he could have been credited for an assist on the Zary goal.

Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any online bookie offering odds on him for the Calder.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Really need to cool our jets in here. Got a point because of one of the league's worst goalies, and an extra one in the skills contest.

Good starts for Gridin and Zary, though. Hope that gives them a lot of confidence. I expect Zayne to draw in tonight against a weaker opponent, but I think hiding him against McDrai sends the wrong message anyway.

IMHO, you can cool whatever you want.
We? When don't need to cool anything, our team have just beaten the Oilers, in their home opener!

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by troutman

You misunderstand me. 4 attempts for Kirk and 8 for Rasmus is small sample size. I bet in 100 attempts Kadri would be better.

Small sample size sure, but you're comparing it against a guy with a pretty decent sample size with pretty crummy stats.

I guess it's possible Kirkland goes 4/35 and Andersson goes 3/31, and it turns out they are both worst career SO guys than Kadri, but at this point, why would you argue that we should go with a guy who's a <20% shooter vs a couple guys who have show some pretty good potential.

Edit: I did a VERY cursory look at career shootout records.
There are about 60 guys with between 35-45 SO attempts. Kadri has about the 4th worst scoring % out of that group.

He's good at a lot of things, for some reason Shootout ain't it.

[btimbit]

[Inferno]

I have no problem with using Kirkland in the shootout over players who are better than him.

When it comes to the shootout you use the players you think have the best chance to score in the shootout. If you have a player who is on a heater you keep using him until he cools off.