Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Sylvanfan]

These days there are as many tax payers without children as there are with.

If your attitude is I pay taxes so I think some of that can fund my kids private education...I guess you're okay with childless people not paying any taxes toward education too?

If that's how it plays out a low birthrate will only fall if everyone with children has to send them to some form of private school. Which is great if you're a union worker or other CP profession making 120 to 300k a year with a spouse earning that. White trash tax bracket like me...w might have to sell our kids to the rich if we want a useless highschool education for them.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Wolven

So now that we are going to talk about teachers and schools in the other thread... I thought this new line of thinking from the landlocked provinces was interesting:
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We are talking about recycling in the other thread so the teacher talk was moved here

But to your point under the constitution fisheries and transportation in Canadian waters are federal jurisdictions whereas resource revenue has been designated as provincial under the equalization formulas.

The near shore (high to low tide) is run by the BC province but the navigable waters are Federal.

So more accurate would be to say BC doesn’t control the shipping lanes.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Oh, I see. All of the conservative posters fled back to this thread instead of hashing out the public v. private school conversation in the strike thread.

The short answer to most of you guys is:

• Funding private schools with public dollars is wrong - full stop - and harms the public system.
• Charter schools were a cool idea when they launched in 1994 but they failed to achieve the results and have basically become "private schools that get more money than the other private schools by pretending to be public".
• Both Private and Charter schools are leeches on the public system.

"There is only one pot of money for schools in Alberta. When money is diverted to private and charter schools, it leaves public schools in a funding shortfall."

When you have 1 system and all of the kids of the rich and powerful are put into that system along with everyone else, a funny thing happens: The rich people support the public system better and agree to invest more in supporting all kids instead of just their kids.

Most importantly, with that funding all going to one system, you can then design the system in more complex and advanced ways to enable tracks for different types of learning so that all kids are supported. That solves the problem that most of you cry about but does so in a way where no kid is left behind. This is better than your solution of a tiered education system, which is the ultimate form of trying to give more to one kid by taking away from many others.

Despite the definitive tone you are taking, these are nothing more than your opinions.

The most rich and powerful will still get their private schools, middle class and upper middle class students will be hurt the most or kids with different learning needs or classroom structures.

Look at Ontario, you seeing a lot of equity in education out there?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Despite the definitive tone you are taking, these are nothing more than your opinions.

The most rich and powerful will still get their private schools, middle class and upper middle class students will be hurt the most or kids with different learning needs or classroom structures.

Look at Ontario, you seeing a lot of equity in education out there?

Actually, it is not just my opinions. I have been quoting articles from the ATA and an expert that did a study on Alberta's charter schools, as well as information from the GoA website.

Posted earlier in this thread.

Posted in the Strike thread.

What you are posting is an opinion with no backup to it. I'm bringing something more to the conversation by using facts and experts to help inform my decision. If you want to argue the points, I am game to engage, but if you want to be dismissive of what I am bringing to the conversation then I am happy to call you a troll, a UCP shill, a corporate shill, and be done with it.

Also, I am okay with private schools existing but they need to be 100% private with no funding from the government while also being regulated by the government to ensure that they are delivering education that aligns with Alberta's education standards (or significantly better). (This is really like any other private corporate entity where they have to stand on their own financial feet and meet the government's regulations.)

As for Ontario - no, I am not interested in that as an example. Go researched Finland's education system. They have a very interesting take on how to handle private schools.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Just imagine a world where is doesn’t take 18 months for a knee replacement.

My 68 year old uncle got a knee replacement in 3 months just a few years ago.

And it didn't put him into crippling personal debt to do so.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Just imagine a world where is doesn’t take 18 months for a knee replacement.

Imagine a world where you have to wait forever because you don’t have insurance or public healthcare

[Wolven]

Eby coming out swinging against Smith and her fake pipeline project.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Wolven

As for Ontario - no, I am not interested in that as an example. Go researched Finland's education system. They have a very interesting take on how to handle private schools.

Since you suggested it, I briefly looked at the system in Finland and it would be great to hear your opinions on their interesting take on private schools but it doesn't seem like something you would want to support. Their private schools are publicly funded and non profit, operate under a government curriculum and provide specialized programs, don't charge tuition and have limited enrollment (honestly sounds very similar to our charter schools.) Do you promote the Finnish approach to private schools?
https://www.aacrao.org/edge/emergent...ted-in-finland

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Imagine a world where you have to wait forever because you don’t have insurance or public healthcare

Both could easily be an option, but fear mongering prevents any attempt.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Both could easily be an option, but fear mongering prevents any attempt.

The private option negatively impacts the public option. So it becomes a question of is it beneficial to make things worse for the overwhelming majority to improve things for a small minority of constituents or do we try and improve the system for everyone. There’s ways you could make a hybrid system work with a reduced impact on the public side but trusting this government to implement that would be a fool’s errand IMO.