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Old 10-06-2025, 09:46 AM   #6521
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Getting off on the right foot in game three is going to be key. We need to be ruthless in stepping on their throats and completely demoralize them or they will be very tough to finish off.
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Yesavage was great.

The thing with that split is it looks more like a split change, and he can locate it incredibly well. Don't need to look much further than Gausman to see a pretty great career can be carved out with essentially 2 pitches and a sometimes 3rd pitch look.

For Yesavage to profile as an ace, IMO a third pitch (is it the slider?) will be essential to keep hitters honest.
Yeah, the slider. And it breaks the opposite way (arm side opposed to glove side) of most.

Of his 78 total pitches yesterday, he threw 35 fastballs, 29 splitters, and 14 sliders. The fastball touched 96.2 mph, while the splitter topped at 85.7 mph.
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I’m nervous about a potential bullpen game for game 4. Varland + Lauer doesn’t instil a ton of confidence.

The Jays need a good start and minimum 5 innings from Bieber tomorrow.

The way I see it, this series either goes 3 or 5.
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If it goes 5, at least they will be back at home and have both Gausman and Yesavage available.
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Two games in a row where the umpire made very little mistakes.

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If it goes 5, at least they will be back at home and have both Gausman and Yesavage available.
Part of me wonders if they'd consider Gausman on short rest for game 4.

He only threw 75 pitches in game 1.
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Part of me wonders if they'd consider Gausman on short rest for game 4.

He only threw 75 pitches in game 1.
Maybe a Varland opener followed by Gausman for a few innings or so.

Then hand Trey the reigns for a game 5 if you get there.
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Part of me wonders if they'd consider Gausman on short rest for game 4.

He only threw 75 pitches in game 1.
I don't love the Yankees hitters seeing Gausman again so soon - I feel like he depends quite a lot on deception and seeing him again quickly isn't to his benefit.

I think something like Varland (2), Lauer (3), Fluharty (1), Little (1), Dominguez (1), Hoffman (1) works.

And hopefully there is no game 4 anyway...
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Part of me wonders if they'd consider Gausman on short rest for game 4.

He only threw 75 pitches in game 1.
Gausman doesn’t tend to do well on short rest. I wouldn’t go down that path if I had the choice.
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I don't love the Yankees hitters seeing Gausman again so soon - I feel like he depends quite a lot on deception and seeing him again quickly isn't to his benefit.

I think something like Varland (2), Lauer (3), Fluharty (1), Little (1), Dominguez (1), Hoffman (1) works.

And hopefully there is no game 4 anyway...
The Lauer 3 is what gives me pause, but this could work. It does all hinge on how the pen is used tomorrow though too. A good outing from Bieber will go a long way.
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Yesavage has that Tim Lincecum unique-ness with his throwing motion. I think teams were scared of the injury risk since Lincecum had a shorter career. That said the 5 years to start his career were all very positive with two absolutely dominating ones in years 2 and 3. So Yesavage is a bit bigger and with more advanced pitch and inning management might be able to stretch this to 7 or 8.

I'm fine to get a guy who peaks to thst level with a short career over a functional 12 year type of pitcher.
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Good quick breakdown of Trey from yesterday
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Maybe a Varland opener followed by Gausman for a few innings or so.

Then hand Trey the reigns for a game 5 if you get there.
I don't know how well Gausman would handle coming out of the pen. I think he has to start.
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I'll say this...if we win tomorrow and sweep with 3 starters on our roster...that is a gutsy gamble/win. I also don't fault any of the relievers who gave up runs yesterday. It's hard to put any intensity into your game with a lead like that.
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Yesavage has that Tim Lincecum unique-ness with his throwing motion. I think teams were scared of the injury risk since Lincecum had a shorter career. That said the 5 years to start his career were all very positive with two absolutely dominating ones in years 2 and 3. So Yesavage is a bit bigger and with more advanced pitch and inning management might be able to stretch this to 7 or 8.

I'm fine to get a guy who peaks to thst level with a short career over a functional 12 year type of pitcher.
That seems so obviously better from a draft perspective that I'd be surprised if teams cared, unless they thought his arm gave up before he hit the bigs.

The most valuable years (the ones with team control) are the first ~5. If someone is a superstar for those years and flames out later that isn't a big problem in terms of getting value from your draft picks.

The FA years you have to pay full price for anyway, so I wouldn't count them as adding much value to a draft pick.
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Yesavage has that Tim Lincecum unique-ness with his throwing motion. I think teams were scared of the injury risk since Lincecum had a shorter career. That said the 5 years to start his career were all very positive with two absolutely dominating ones in years 2 and 3. So Yesavage is a bit bigger and with more advanced pitch and inning management might be able to stretch this to 7 or 8.

I'm fine to get a guy who peaks to thst level with a short career over a functional 12 year type of pitcher.
How long does one expect a pitcher to be good for?
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How long does one expect a pitcher to be good for?
That's a good question. I think the downside case for a pitcher like Yesavage is maybe a Manoah type situation, where he's good but for a short time period.

Looking at the 5 picks immediately after Manoah there are 3 busts, 1 everyday player (Phillies 2B Bryson Stott) and Corbin Carroll.

Carroll is clearly the best pick of the bunch with hindsight, but Manoah is also clearly at least the 3rd best of the 6 picks. So you could definitely have done worse and he only contributed for a short time.

Obviously I'm hoping Yesavage is more Justin Verlander and less Alek Manoah, but even if he never pitches again the lights-out win in game 2 ALDS is more than you get out of a lot of prospects.

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You know just how ridiculous the cheating allegations are when even Michael Kay starts defending the Blue Jays. He said even some in the New York media are implying it.

About 10 minutes in he talks about it for about 15-20 minutes.

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How long does one expect a pitcher to be good for?
I think it's more about what type of repair (surgery) could this guy need and what are the odds he can come back and still pitch. So more of an asset risk management.

It's probably the highest injury risk prospect in the 4 North American pro sports that comes to mind. Or at least in terms of predicting that a player will have some type of arm or shoulder problem at some point in his career, and that it could occur within the time frame where the player is under team control.

Seems like Tommy John surgery to fix ligaments in an elbow is almost a given and teams are reasonably confident a player will recover from that. Whereas a guy like Lincecum, was done in more by a hip issue that could not be fixed so to speak along with a freak incident where he took a hit to the elbow from a line drive. If a guy like Yesavage with unique mechanics was to get injured, they might not salvage anything.

At least that's my poorly developed theory
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