10-03-2025, 07:58 AM
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#9601
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sofa GM
I don’t think Dallas does one for one Bischel for Andersson. Adding a 2027 1st on top of that when the Flames add a waivers worthy asset is laughable.
Think more like Mavrik Bourque + 2027 1st if the Flames retain.
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From everything I've heard Dallas is the dark horse landing spot for Andersson.
Dallas has had significant interest for a while.
Dallas also has interest in Coleman
We all know Coleman is from TX
Coleman would likely very easily sell Andersson on how good the city/area is as that's his home town.
I think Dallas has a lot to offer, and I don't believe Bischel would be off the table at all but they could get pretty creative.
Either way, from the Flames perspective you take the best offer no matter where the landing spot is.
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10-03-2025, 08:09 AM
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#9602
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mephisto
Yes. Dallas could be a player in the McDavid Sweepstakes if he goes UFA. Their 27 1st isn't worth that much so they would need to add more than just a middling prospect.
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Bichsel is not a middling prospect
If Dallas offered Bichsel and a 1st, Conroy would have taken that and run already
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10-03-2025, 10:07 AM
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#9603
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: 0° latitude, 0° longitude
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any deal with Dallas will require us to take salary back to make the money side work as it is showing they only have a little over 1 million in cap space
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10-03-2025, 10:32 AM
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#9604
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetric
any deal with Dallas will require us to take salary back to make the money side work as it is showing they only have a little over 1 million in cap space
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Not sure about Andersson, but can definitely see Coleman going to Dallas for a 1st if we retained 50% at the deadline and for next year. Dallas is going to need a guy like Coleman for cheap for a decent run.
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10-03-2025, 10:52 AM
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#9605
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#1 Goaltender
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Ras + Coleman (50%)
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Bischel + '27 1st + Lyubushkin?
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10-03-2025, 11:17 AM
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#9606
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Ras + Coleman (50%)
for
Bischel + '27 1st + Lyubushkin?
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I personally prefer to trade Coleman and Andersson separately. Hanley would be a good option for Dallas on their 3rd pairing. I also doubt Bischel is for sale when Dallas needs that ELC with not having as much space.
Coleman (50%) + Hanley
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2027 1st + Lybushkin + project prospect
Dallas is hard to trade both Andersson and Coleman after they traded some very good assets (1sts and Stankoven) for Rantanen.
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10-03-2025, 11:22 AM
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#9607
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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How pressing are trade talks, should we be expecting or waiting for the TDL
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10-03-2025, 11:24 AM
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#9608
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Ras + Coleman (50%)
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Bischel + '27 1st + Lyubushkin?
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I think to make this deal happen and maybe get more, it will take the Stars finding a team that Seguin will waive his NMC to go to and that team being interested. I could see the Flames RS on Seguin to get it done.
Seguin, Bischel, 1st 27 and Hemming
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Coleman and Ras
Seguin 50% RS
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2nd and a prospect.
Stars pay a lot but get to keep Robertson and still have 2 high end scoring lines
Coleman is a big upgrade to their depth.
Stars gain cap this year and get rid of Seguin to sign Harley, Ras and Robertson.
Flames get a haul because the RS on Seguin contract for this year and next year.
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10-03-2025, 11:29 AM
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#9609
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Normally, my desk
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Dallas is a nice fit as they are full of lefties, but they sure have some big money coming up. Robertson isn't too far behind Kaprizov in terms of ppg. Not saying he'll ask for $17MM, but I'm sure he'll be looking for $12MM+. Harley's peers just got $9MM a year and Harley might be better. That's upwards of $21MM used up on the ~$28MM they have for next year. Andersson has to be looking for $7MM or more. Dallas would have to be creative to fit in just Andersson if they want to keep their high dollar players.
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10-03-2025, 11:43 AM
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#9610
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#1 Goaltender
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I could see them moving Robertson for some younger pieces. A team like Chicago maybe?
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10-03-2025, 12:02 PM
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#9611
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royle9
From everything I've heard Dallas is the dark horse landing spot for Andersson.
Dallas has had significant interest for a while.
Dallas also has interest in Coleman
We all know Coleman is from TX
Coleman would likely very easily sell Andersson on how good the city/area is as that's his home town.
I think Dallas has a lot to offer, and I don't believe Bischel would be off the table at all but they could get pretty creative.
Either way, from the Flames perspective you take the best offer no matter where the landing spot is.
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I like that from Dallas's perspective, they wouldnt need to sign Ras to have the deal make sense. If you add Ras (50% retained) to that Dallas roster, they're instantly cup favorites this year.
They're basically trading a #6 defenseman in Bischel for a #2a/#3 defenseman in Ras, and putting that defenseman in the #4 role. As a right-handed shot, he also fills that need for Dallas. And I get that Bischel has upside (maybe to a #3/#4), which is why it makes sense for Calgary. But his limited upside also mitigates risk for Dallas. They're not trading a stud.
Adding Coleman would be icing on the cake, but their top-9 is already pretty incredible.
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10-03-2025, 01:54 PM
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#9612
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho0978
The playoff salary cap, LTIR and salary retention rules make the cap hit of a player more important than ever.
Bischel has 2 years left on his ELC and if he is a positive contributor with upside at less than $1M, no way they trade him for Ras. Ras contract demands probably have increased with the recent signings. He might be looking for more than $9M now.
Ras has value under his current contract and more value if we retain salary, but Bourque and Bischel have big value for Dallas as well as they could be very positive contributors for next to no cap hit.
I think we need to look at prospects not on the team and 1sts. I just don't see why Dallas gives up 2 good players on ELCs.
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If Bourque and/or Bischel become positive contributors to the Stars then the Stars are going to have to move them soon anyway. They have no room to give these guys raises with their current cap structure and there is no room for Bischel to advance beyond the third pair. He is going to want out sooner or later to show he is a "top 4" or "top pair" guy.
Then again, the Stars also have no way to add Andersson without sending cap space back, even if there is retention on Andersson.
Probably also worth mentioning, Bischel is still on his ELC which has $500K in performance bonuses that could further muck up the Stars tight cap situation. I am not sure exactly how it works but if he hits his performance bonus doesn't that go against their cap next year?
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10-03-2025, 02:03 PM
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#9613
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
I could see them moving Robertson for some younger pieces. A team like Chicago maybe?
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No chance. Marchment being traded gutted their LW depth. Behind Robertson they have Benn (out with a collapsed lung) and then.... Steel? or Hryckowian???
More likely they keep Robertson and try to add a LW for the second line.
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10-03-2025, 02:16 PM
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#9614
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royle9
From everything I've heard Dallas is the dark horse landing spot for Andersson.
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10-03-2025, 02:28 PM
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#9615
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
If Bourque and/or Bischel become positive contributors to the Stars then the Stars are going to have to move them soon anyway. They have no room to give these guys raises with their current cap structure and there is no room for Bischel to advance beyond the third pair. He is going to want out sooner or later to show he is a "top 4" or "top pair" guy.
Then again, the Stars also have no way to add Andersson without sending cap space back, even if there is retention on Andersson.
Probably also worth mentioning, Bischel is still on his ELC which has $500K in performance bonuses that could further muck up the Stars tight cap situation. I am not sure exactly how it works but if he hits his performance bonus doesn't that go against their cap next year?
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Bourque is more likely to move as he will need to be signed at the same time as Robertson and Harley. But he could be bridged.
Stars are in win now mode, so having good players on ELCs will help them win now. It's similar to why they would pay more to have a team retain salary, to win now.
Bischel has 2 years left, as the cap goes up he can be signed. Also, he is young enough to be bridged. Bridge contracts are the way to go for elite teams. Stars can keep him and Bourque cheap for 3-5 years.
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10-03-2025, 02:32 PM
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#9616
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Bichsel would be a good get; let's not pretend Dallas has to trade him. If he improves he can easily leapfrog Lyubushkin and Lundqvist and be in the top-4. Dallas has some prospects on D but no blue-chippers.
That's not to say they won't trade him to improve their roster, but there is absolutely a path for him to be top-4 in Dallas or even higher. With his size, I am sure they are hesitant to give him up.
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10-03-2025, 02:33 PM
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#9617
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
No chance. Marchment being traded gutted their LW depth. Behind Robertson they have Benn (out with a collapsed lung) and then.... Steel? or Hryckowian???
More likely they keep Robertson and try to add a LW for the second line.
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True I keep forgetting they lost Marchment
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10-03-2025, 02:50 PM
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#9618
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho0978
Bourque is more likely to move as he will need to be signed at the same time as Robertson and Harley. But he could be bridged.
Stars are in win now mode, so having good players on ELCs will help them win now. It's similar to why they would pay more to have a team retain salary, to win now.
Bischel has 2 years left, as the cap goes up he can be signed. Also, he is young enough to be bridged. Bridge contracts are the way to go for elite teams. Stars can keep him and Bourque cheap for 3-5 years.
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The Stars are over the cap right now. No matter what, they need to move cap out if they want to address either of their weaknesses (#1RD or #2LW) within this season. Moving out 1 year of Dumba cost them a 2nd. I doubt moving out Lyubushkin's 2 year contract will be much cheaper as every GM in the league knows the situation.
Also, with the guessing around Harley and Robertson's contracts I think their cap space for next year is already blown. Harley should be able to ask for more than LaCombe just got ($9M) and while I do not think Robertson should be able to ask for $17M, I can see him getting $12+M much more easily now.
They can try to acquire Andersson but if they are not going to offer the one thing that the Flames want (#1C) then they are certainly going to have to do better than spare parts out of their prospect pool. Bischel does seem like a good compromise considering their first round draft picks are not worth very much. Also, if Bertucci is any good then he can slot into Bischel's spot and is $100K cheaper.
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10-03-2025, 02:52 PM
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#9619
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ped
Bichsel would be a good get; let's not pretend Dallas has to trade him. If he improves he can easily leapfrog Lyubushkin and Lundqvist and be in the top-4. Dallas has some prospects on D but no blue-chippers.
That's not to say they won't trade him to improve their roster, but there is absolutely a path for him to be top-4 in Dallas or even higher. With his size, I am sure they are hesitant to give him up.
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Zero right shot D in your top 4 would be an interesting move. Especially after last season they identified RD as a point of weakness and a reason they did not make it to the finals.
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10-03-2025, 02:53 PM
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#9620
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Franchise Player
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Robertson is the name that has me wondering.
Flames lack/want a point producing player (yea he’s not a center)
Stars aren’t close with an extension and rumoured to be shopping him.
Nothing close that I’ve heard but it makes you wonder if there’s a swap including him with Anderson and other pieces
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