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Jiri Hrdina · 10-03-2025, 10:33 AM

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I'm not saying that the Flames deserved special favour as some kind of transaction, but they did go beyond what a lot of teams would have done (see Texier and Columbus). If the rumour is true that Kylington was actively listening to offers from other teams while still under contract with the Flames though, that is actively disrespectful. I think the organization deserved better not as a transaction, just out of principle. You show someone respect, I don't think it is crazy to expect that they do the same back.

If he had suffered a major knee injury for the same length of time, would your view be different?

blankall · 10-03-2025, 10:37 AM

Meh...even if Kylington re-signed with the Flames, he probably ends up in the same situation eventually. The Flames have a lot more depth now, and Kylington doesn't seem to be progressing.

The deal with the Flames supposedly fell apart over term, which means the Flames were likely offering either a 1 or 2 year contract. Kylington would have had a role on a straight rebuilding Flames, but likely doesn't make the lineup this year with Parekh, Bahl, Pachal, etc.. all ahead of him.

He's the kind of player that needs top 4 minutes, to show his effectiveness as an offensive player, and looks pretty useless in a bottom pairing role. He's now played with 3 other organizations who don't think he's good enough. He's probably just not good enough for the NHL.

He's destined for Europe at this point. He got lucky, as he managed to cash in on some NHL time with the Flames, when their depth was pretty depleted. He probably loses out on $1-2 million with his gamble not to re-sign with the Flames. C'est la vie.

blankall · 10-03-2025, 10:38 AM

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He was overrated by many flames fans.

Had some skills but never developed

The guy showed definite signs of developing into a solid second pairing d-man. I wouldn't say he was "overrated". He just never made that next step. Happens all the time in the NHL.

cam_calderon · 10-03-2025, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Meh...even if Kylington re-signed with the Flames, he probably ends up in the same situation eventually. The Flames have a lot more depth now, and Kylington doesn't seem to be progressing.

The deal with the Flames supposedly fell apart over term, which means the Flames were likely offering either a 1 or 2 year contract. Kylington would have had a role on a straight rebuilding Flames, but likely doesn't make the lineup this year with Parekh, Bahl, Pachal, etc.. all ahead of him.

He's the kind of player that needs top 4 minutes, to show his effectiveness as an offensive player, and looks pretty useless in a bottom pairing role. He's now played with 3 other organizations who don't think he's good enough. He's probably just not good enough for the NHL.

He's destined for Europe at this point. He got lucky, as he managed to cash in on some NHL time with the Flames, when their depth was pretty depleted. He probably loses out on $1-2 million with his gamble not to re-sign with the Flames. C'est la vie.

It's all hypothetical but if he'd stayed here, he would have more cash in the bank and more opportunity than he did bouncing around the league and being the 6/7 dman.

Our D is looking better but we've barely got a proper top four. You can't count Parekh as a top four guy until he shows it in the NHL.

ForeverFlameFan · 10-03-2025, 10:44 AM

The grass isn't always greener. I feel bad for Kylington, because I truly do think his play would have gotten us a couple more points. He's that much of a difference between him and Bean. We signed Bean because he didn't stay with us. If he had stayed (in some alternate universe), he is probably playing some top minutes like Hanley was with Weegar.

FlamesAddiction · 10-03-2025, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If he had suffered a major knee injury for the same length of time, would your view be different?

No, not really. At least from the tampering perspective I would feel the same. It would still be a sneaky and disrespectful thing to do. The big difference here though is that if it was a knee injury that happened while fulfilling his contract obligations, the Flames wouldn't have had a choice on how to deal with it. With Kylington's situation, I believe the Flames had options.

cam_calderon · 10-03-2025, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, not really. At least from the tampering perspective I would feel the same. It would still be a sneaky and disrespectful thing to do. The big difference here though is that if it was a knee injury that happened while fulfilling his contract obligations, the Flames wouldn't have had a choice on how to deal with it. With Kylington's situation, I believe the Flames had options.

He didn't enter the player assistance program, so surely when he left the continent the club could have ripped up his contract.

blankall · 10-03-2025, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_calderon

It's all hypothetical but if he'd stayed here, he would have more cash in the bank and more opportunity than he did bouncing around the league and being the 6/7 dman.

Our D is looking better but we've barely got a proper top four. You can't count Parekh as a top four guy until he shows it in the NHL.

Conroy has stated that he doesn't see a space for Kylington on the team anymore. Parekh may not be ready for a top 4 role, but he's ready to be developed into that. The team isn't hindering his development for Kylington.

The Flames have a much better group of young d-men than they did when Kylington was offered a spot. Of course this is hypothetical, maybe Kylington develops into something he wasn't on the Flames, but I doubt it.

He's got a career ahead in Europe, and, yes, probably $1-2 million less in the bank due to his refusal to take the Flames offer.

Bill Bumface · 10-03-2025, 10:52 AM

Imagine, hypothetically, someone went broke because of very poor advice/influence from a highly trusted person in their life.

They work through the struggles of emerging from that situation, and are ready to restart their career. Do you think the lure of $3M as a path to get back on track and make up for lost time is pretty damn strong in that situation? I do. I'm sure he felt a sense of loyalty, but that's a hell of an opportunity as well.

cam_calderon · 10-03-2025, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Imagine, hypothetically, someone went broke because of very poor advice/influence from a highly trusted person in their life.

They work through the struggles of emerging from that situation, and are ready to restart their career. Do you think the lure of $3M as a path to get back on track and make up for lost time is pretty damn strong in that situation? I do. I'm sure he felt a sense of loyalty, but that's a hell of an opportunity as well.

All they had from the Capitals was the word of a GM from a team thousands of kilometres away, compared to $3.5 million guaranteed. Can you live off $1.75 million per year?

The agent probably has a lot to answer for.

Jiri Hrdina · 10-03-2025, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_calderon

He didn't enter the player assistance program, so surely when he left the continent the club could have ripped up his contract.

Incorrect.
He was in the program.

Jiri Hrdina · 10-03-2025, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, not really. At least from the tampering perspective I would feel the same. It would still be a sneaky and disrespectful thing to do. The big difference here though is that if it was a knee injury that happened while fulfilling his contract obligations, the Flames wouldn't have had a choice on how to deal with it. With Kylington's situation, I believe the Flames had options.

But we know tampering happens.
Do you disagree with tampering or only in situations like this?

cam_calderon · 10-03-2025, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Incorrect.
He was in the program.

My bad, you're right.

FlamesAddiction · 10-03-2025, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_calderon

He didn't enter the player assistance program, so surely when he left the continent the club could have ripped up his contract.

That's kind of my point. I don't believe he was officially in any NHL program with direct supervision or timelines. I think Seravalli said in a Twitter post that he was, but I don't think he had his facts straight. Typically when players enter the NHL assistance program, it shows up as official transaction and it is announced. With Kylington, it never showed up as a transaction nor was it announced by the team. The Flames publicly stated that he was taking a personal leave and the conditions and schedule for his return were on the player's own terms without pressure.

Similar to Texier in Columbus, but in that case the team suspended him to get the contract off the books, while still morally supporting the player and leaving the door open to return. That seems to be the typical way these things are handled. Players have a choice, they can enter a program with the intention to get them back into action as soon as possible under the supervision of NHL approved specialists and still get paid. Or they can take a leave and go home to deal with matters on their own (like Texier and Kylington did), but in those cases, the team usually suspends them to get the contract off the books.

Kylington's situation was even more awkward because he took one leave of absence, then signed a brand new contract and took another leave before even playing a game under the new contract. The Flames did what they did under their own volition and because they are a good organization. The least Kylington could have done was follow the rules and wait until July 1st to start listening to other offers. I don't think that is asking too much.

cam_calderon · 10-03-2025, 11:13 AM

Actually, I can't find any official mention that he entered any NHL or PA program.

Jiri Hrdina · 10-03-2025, 11:20 AM

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Actually, I can't find any official mention that he entered any NHL or PA program.

Yeah now that I look at it, it was reported by Seravelli.
But not sure if it was verified.

Vinny01 · 10-03-2025, 11:26 AM

I would have preferred keeping Kylington here than bringing in Bean and I am sure Kylington would have preferred to take the Flames offer in hindsight. It is looking like more of an issue for Kylington though

FlamesAddiction · 10-03-2025, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah now that I look at it, it was reported by Seravelli.
But not sure if it was verified.

At the time I found it odd that Capfriendly had a special tag next to players away from the team because they were in the NHL assistance program, while Kylington always just had the [IR] tag next to his name. When you looked at the transaction logs, players that were in the program were mentioned while for Kylington it never was. It was always just stated that he was taking a leave from the team. Other sites like ESPN transaction pages also explicitly stated it for other players but didn't for Kylington. Maybe they don't need to for every player, but it stood out to me that they seemed to be pretty consistent about doing it and odd that they wouldn't for just one player.

cam_calderon · 10-03-2025, 11:55 AM

And I remember reports, I think it was Francis, emphasising that the club could have taken a more cold blooded approach easily.

Itse · 10-04-2025, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_calderon

All they had from the Capitals was the word of a GM from a team thousands of kilometres away, compared to $3.5 million guaranteed. Can you live off $1.75 million per year?

The agent probably has a lot to answer for.

This story is going to be used as a warning to a lot of young players. Don't trust promises, you can't sign those, and take the payday when you get it. It was not like he would have even signed for that long.