[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I won’t sit here and re-hash the discussion again, but it’s the bolded part where Conroy absolutely deserves to be critiqued. That *appears* to have been a short sighted point of view and poor asset management.

Eh, he still has bosses to report to and that’s a tough sell. I think his original plan was send in a bottom ten team into the season and trade players at the deadline.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Is it too early to say Conroy ####ed this up? I think the consensus is that he should have been traded prior to this offseason, but since that didn't happen, it was imperative it happened this summer and it didn't.

If Conroy shopped him last deadline and the offers weren't great that's fine. If they didn't shop or turned down a strong offer for him because they were focused on a one off playoff birth with a low probability of success then ya he screwed up.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Conroy shopped him last deadline and the offers weren't great that's fine. If they didn't shop or turned down a strong offer for him because they were focused on a one off playoff birth with a low probability of success then ya he screwed up.

Still think you need the completion of the Andersson saga and knowledge of what he turned down to confirm that.

And you're applying zero value to respecting his roster for defying all the critics and having a playoff chance late into the season. I don't have a problem with those that view culture as less important but it has some value.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Still think you need the completion of the Andersson saga and knowledge of what he turned down to confirm that.

And you're applying zero value to respecting his roster for defying all the critics and having a playoff chance late into the season. I don't have a problem with those that view culture as less important but it has some value.

There is also value in setting your price on an asset and holding firm in the face of lowball offers from the other GMs. If Conroy makes a habit of caving in then we'll never see value out of any future trade.

Even if it comes down to only one team wanting to trade for Andersson, Conroy always has the option to extend Andersson and plan a trade for a future date when the market is more favourable. (Similar to the Sabres and Byram)

Some fans may lose their minds in that scenario but I think it is a stronger move than to cave in for a lesser value offer. The leverage from leaving the door open to keeping the player means teams need to offer more value in a trade than if the Flames just kept the player and creates a floor to the value of the trade.

[Geeoff]

god, I hate the Knights


Now, we definitely have to cheer for all the injuries to add up and them being trash this season

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Conroy shopped him last deadline and the offers weren't great that's fine. If they didn't shop or turned down a strong offer for him because they were focused on a one off playoff birth with a low probability of success then ya he screwed up.

The maximum return would have been last trade deadline. If Conroy wasn’t listening and considering offers than that is poor asset management. The job is to build a contender, not a team that barely makes it to the playoffs. I have low expectations for Andersson’s return in trade now, very late 1st and B prospect is the best we will see. I understand he was trying to reward the team, but that deviates from the job.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

The maximum return would have been last trade deadline. If Conroy wasn’t listening and considering offers than that is poor asset management. The job is to build a contender, not a team that barely makes it to the playoffs. I have low expectations for Andersson’s return in trade now, very late 1st and B prospect is the best we will see. I understand he was trying to reward the team, but that deviates from the job.

This never sat right

If you make the playoffs, maybe you’re not a favourite, but you’re in. Enough low seeds are competitive enough not to sewer the prospect of immediate multi million dollar revenue for some long term future looking lottery tickets

The Flames had enough points to make the playoffs, lost on a tie break. And more than some east playoff teams. Not a seller.

Respectfully I don’t think you have thorough understanding of the job

The job of the GM is not to maximize the value of a single specific asset based on some armchair/couch internet poster

[memphusk]

I can agree with this.

[Badgers Nose]

Do these recent team friendly signings around the league cause Ras to lower his demands and stay?

If the return is bad, I’d rather keep him.

[Johnny Makarov]

Pass. still has the Oiler stink on him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Do these recent team friendly signings around the league cause Ras to lower his demands and stay?

If the return is bad, I’d rather keep him.

not with term though...which is the issue

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Conroy shopped him last deadline and the offers weren't great that's fine. If they didn't shop or turned down a strong offer for him because they were focused on a one off playoff birth with a low probability of success then ya he screwed up.

Really depends on a lot of other factors. Did Conroy turn down an offer for a very good young player/prospect or a high draft pick? I doubt it. Did he turn down an offer for a late first plus junk, possible. If Conroy's "screw up" is limited to a few draft position spots and a slightly less junky add on, then it's really not a screw up if it gave the team a better chance at a playoff birth.

[Toonage]

Its the bizarre factor of how the idea of 2 playoff runs with Andersson didn't appeal to anyone that they'd pay up to the extent that A) Conroy apparently would be happy with and B) for the value everyone in the media seemed to think the Flames would get

Than at the draft, no one stepped up outside of Vegas and allegedly LA.

And the deal that was leaked with Vegas, seemingly legit, wasn't or wouldn't be matched or beaten. Or even gotten close to without an extension.

Did we overvalue Ras? Did they?

[Flamesfan05]

Currently there is no urgency from seller or buyer for Andersson. That can only change as we get closer to the TDL

Andersson is not helping by playing like #### for almost a year now

[Johnny Makarov]

Ideally we trade him to Vegas for 2 2nd rounders and they pair him up with Hanifin again.

Then they will miss the playoffs and we get a top 10 pick with the Vegas pick.

[dino7c]

Andersson really hasn't been good at all for a while...hopefully it was just the injury. The biggest reason to trade him over the summer was that he might be over rated.

Hopefully he has an amazing start, trade or no trade that is the best for everyone involved

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Andersson really hasn't been good at all for a while...hopefully it was just the injury. The biggest reason to trade him over the summer was that he might be over rated.

Hopefully he has an amazing start, trade or no trade that is the best for everyone involved

He was really goid for the first 10 games last season, and a liability after that.

I hope the sign or trade (whichever it is) comes much sooner than later. Maybe he's softened on the destination.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Do these recent team friendly signings around the league cause Ras to lower his demands and stay?

If the return is bad, I’d rather keep him.

That’s what I was thinking. If the offers are bad and Wolf is like Hasek 2.0 and keeps them out of the basement, they might as well sign him. He’s a valuable player to this team. In Burke fashion I’d rather keep him than give him to Vegas for a bag of chips and have that rep around the league. For a reasonable deal of course.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not with term though...which is the issue

Why is that an issue if the AAV is low?

$6M * 7 years? Would you do that?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Why is that an issue if the AAV is low?

$6M * 7 years? Would you do that?

I consider that but Ras doesn't. If Walman gets $7M...