[News] Kylington signs PTO with Carolina

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Some of you guys come across like jilted lovers. He had a choice to make and he made it for whatever reason. It was probably the wrong choice but for all we know he wouldn't struggled with the Flames too. I think the only reason people are defending him is because others are attacking him for making a job decision. It's unlikely anyone would be defending Kylington if it wasn't for the drive-by "good riddance" or "that'll learn ya" type of posts.

The fact that people are getting made and insulting people just because they perceive them as “defending” Kylington is wild lol.

Some people clearly need a little more in-person socialization in their day to day life.

[CroFlames]

I was a huge fan of this player for a long time so I wished that he signed in Calgary. I think his agent screwed this thing up for him, but its the way she goes sometimes.

We just know so little about his personal absence. Maybe being in Calgary contributed to his struggles (huge Eritrean community?) and he felt he needed out. Who knows. None of us know.

Just sad it didn't work here because I liked him.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Maybe being in Calgary contributed to his struggles (huge Eritrean community?)

I heard it wasn't the Eritreans that led to his mental health collapse, but rather our dry air and his predisposition to eczema.


"We can't possible know what it is, but here's something out of left field anyway!"

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I heard it wasn't the Eritreans that led to his mental health collapse, but rather our dry air and his predisposition to eczema.


"We can't possible know what it is, but here's something out of left field anyway!"

The air in Colorado is dryer than Alberta.

[VilleN]

We know he was struggling with some serious personal issues, we have no idea what they are - but they were bad enough to keep him off the ice for nearly 2 years. Is it possible he wanted to turn the page on this chapter of his life and decided to move on from Calgary for personal reasons? Seems reasonable.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by VilleN

We know he was struggling with some serious personal issues, we have no idea what they are - but they were bad enough to keep him off the ice for nearly 2 years. Is it possible he wanted to turn the page on this chapter of his life and decided to move on from Calgary for personal reasons? Seems reasonable.

There was reportedly a lucrative verbal offer from Washington before they signed Chychrun, more term and I think better dollars.

Didn't he also circle back to Conman, who rebuffed him afterwards?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

There was reportedly a lucrative verbal offer from Washington before they signed Chychrun, more term and I think better dollars.

Didn't he also circle back to Conman, who rebuffed him afterwards?

Not sure if he did or not, but by that point they had moved on and signed Bean and had no need for him.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

There was reportedly a lucrative verbal offer from Washington before they signed Chychrun, more term and I think better dollars.

Didn't he also circle back to Conman, who rebuffed him afterwards?

That is the rumour I heard. Washington was reportedly going to over over 3M if he hit free agency. Flames were offering him the contract Bean got (2 years 1.75AAV). Come July first, Washington trades for Chychrun and Flames sign Bean leaving Kylington in limbo.

[Robbob]

went back and looked at the time stamps of the announcements and both the Chychrun trade and Bean signing were minutes apart around 10am. So by time Chychrun trade happened and Washington said no thanks to Kylington, the Flames already moved on and signed a player.

[cam_calderon]

I think I remember $3 million was the term from Washington? That contract would've set him up for life.

If he'd taken our offer, would've been plenty of opportunity to showcase himself for another deal in Calgary or elsewhere. Either way, quite a contrast to being released from a PTO.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

I think I remember $3 million was the term from Washington? That contract would've set him up for life.

If he'd taken our offer, would've been plenty of opportunity to showcase himself for another deal in Calgary or elsewhere. Either way, quite a contrast to being released from a PTO.

He definitely had a spot in Calgary and I have no doubt would have earned another contract. He had familiarity with Husk in the minors too; it was a good fit here.

[FlamesAddiction]

I get some of the anger towards Kylington. The Flames supported him for a long time while respecting his privacy and letting him deal with matters on his own terms and timeline. As far as I can tell, he was not actually under the supervision of the NHL or related programs during that time, and didn't have a timeline, so it was a personal leave and the Flames continued to pay his full salary on that freshly signed deal.

Then he spurned the Flames future contract offer preferring instead to go through back channels before free agency to work with a tampering team. Not cool. He could have just been honest and said he wanted to move on, then entertain offers on July 1st.

I sympathize with him for his struggles, but he also showed poor character after the Flames did everything for him. Both things can be true, a person can have mental health problems that deserve sympathy, and they can be a jerk at the same time.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

There was reportedly a lucrative verbal offer from Washington before they signed Chychrun, more term and I think better dollars.

Didn't he also circle back to Conman, who rebuffed him afterwards?

But here I thought there was no tampering in the NHL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I get some of the anger towards Kylington. The Flames supported him for a long time while respecting his privacy and letting him deal with matter on his own terms and timeline. As far as I can tell, he was not actually under the supervision of the NHL or related programs during that time, and didn't have a timeline, so it was a personal leave and the Flames continued to pay his full salary on that freshly signed deal.

Then he spurned the Flames future contract offer preferring instead to go through back channels before free agency to work with a tempering team. Not cool. He could have just been honest and said he wanted to move on, then entertain offers on July 1st.

This should be thought of the same way as if he had suffered a serious physical injury that caused him to miss the same length of time.

We have to start thinking about mental health in the same way we think of physical health.

I sympathize with him for his struggles, but he also showed poor character after the Flames did everything for him. Both things can be true, a person can have mental health problems that deserve sympathy, and they can be a jerk at the same time.

My view is you support someone going through that because that's what you should do.
Not in exchange for some future loyalty or anything else.
It's not a value exchange.

We should think of this is the same way as if he had suffered a serious physical injury that caused him to miss the same time.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My view is you support someone going through that because that's what you should do.
Not in exchange for some future loyalty or anything else.
It's not a value exchange.

We should think of this is the same way as if he had suffered a serious physical injury that caused him to miss the same time.

The Flames have been a doormat for much too long. One of the reasons Vegas has a cup and we don't in the last 35 years is how ruthless their management have been.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

The Flames have been a doormat for much too long. One of the reasons Vegas has a cup and we don't in the last 35 years.

Treating human beings properly and kindness does not make a person or an organization a doormat.
If treating people poorly is a pre-requisite to winning a cup, I'll pass.

[Robbob]

Let's be honest, if his team was hearing that they were going to get a 3M to 4M offer with the term being multi year (up to 5), then I could see why he wanted to walk to July 1st. That 20Mish is absolutely life changing and a lot more than what was being offered in Calgary. I don't think anyone would have made a different decision going into July 1st with that information in hand.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Let's be honest, if his team was hearing that they were going to get a 3M to 4M offer with the term being multi year (up to 5), then I could see why he wanted to walk to July 1st. That 20Mish is absolutely life changing and a lot more than what was being offered in Calgary. I don't think anyone would have made a different decision going into July 1st with that information in hand.

I would've liked his camp to at least push harder for better terms here. Maybe it happened.

[Strange Brew]

It was definitely reported that the Flames had some hard feelings with Kylington over the negotiations and were ready to move on from him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My view is you support someone going through that because that's what you should do.
Not in exchange for some future loyalty or anything else.
It's not a value exchange.

We should think of this is the same way as if he had suffered a serious physical injury that caused him to miss the same time.

I'm not saying that the Flames deserved special favour as some kind of transaction, but they did go beyond what a lot of teams would have done (see Texier and Columbus). If the rumour is true that Kylington was actively listening to offers from other teams while still under contract with the Flames though, that is actively disrespectful. I think the organization deserved better not as a transaction, just out of principle. You show someone respect, I don't think it is crazy to expect that they do the same back.