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Old 10-01-2025, 12:11 PM   #9561
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There’s a reason why Calgary lost 14 games in overtime. They just don’t have the players to play the possession/high skill game.

Like Bingo said, with Parekh and a couple of other players coming in, and hopefully Frost blossoming, that might change.
Yep, won 5 of 24 three on three OTs. Needed one more point
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I'm not sure many teams consider Andersson a #1 dman at this stage of his career, especially after last year. Let's see how he starts the year, maybe he can re-establish his value.

You example of SJ may make sense for need, but SJ is not trading Smith. At least not in a trade for Andersson. They would want a very young dman that can grow with the team.

Andersson would need to bring an older centre type.

Or a real project.
Andersson is a top pair D. He is not be an Elite D but he is established as a top pair D.

He is also the best RD available as when you look around the league other teams are not offering guys like Makar or Seider.

But that is why you add a 1st and a winger prospect to the deal.

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The kind of guys you mention are not available with Andersson as the main piece going the other way. I'm sure I will get pushback to this, but Andersson just isn't a top pair dman. The only way some of the names mentioned may be available would be if assets like a combination of Parekh, Coronato, Calgary's 1st are going the other way.

With Andersson we would be looking at a project center or a player CC is hoping to break out.
There are only 20 RD above Andersson in points in his "bad" season last year. Considering there are 32 teams, that would imply he is a top pair dman. If you look at a different stat like TOI, he was #8 in the league for RD.

You are both valuing him too low because of +/-.

Also, it is lazy to say that a trade can only happen with Parekh, Coronato, and our 1st all going the other way. No team is offering a package that looks like that and Parekh by himself is arguably more valuable than Smith.
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Old 10-01-2025, 03:52 PM   #9563
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Carter Hart to VGK

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Nothitg official yet, but it seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.
Good fit for him

And I don’t mean hockey
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Good fit for him

And I don’t mean hockey

Personally, if I was running a team in Vegas I'd want to bring in players that have a track record of self-control and aren't easily dragged down by vices, but....hey that's obviously just me.
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Personally, if I was running a team in Vegas I'd want to bring in players that have a track record of self-control and aren't easily dragged down by vices, but....hey that's obviously just me.
Vegas is a scumbag organization, right up there with the Oilers.
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Huberdeau would be a near ppg player if the flames had a much better PP. Hard to be a ppg player with a pp typically in bottom 10, if not bottom 5. The flames need a sniper and a legit PP quarterback. Hopefully coronato and parehk improve that greatly this season.
Huby is elite guys. He'd be putting up huge numbers with guys like McDavid and Matthews. The problem is that the flames don't have any play driving forwards he can compliment.
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Huby is elite guys. He'd be putting up huge numbers with guys like McDavid and Matthews. The problem is that the flames don't have any play driving forwards he can compliment.
Huberdeau-to-Parekh is going to be absolute magic.
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Huberdeau-to-Parekh is going to be absolute magic.
How about Huberdeau to Gridin?
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Nothitg official yet, but it seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.
great fit of player and organization...
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Vegas is a scumbag organization, right up there with the Oilers.
The sad truth is these questionable (or no) consent scenarios are probably a lot more common the NHL than people want to admit. Any given locker room probably has multiple guys who did something similar in Juniors (or possibly more recently).
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Andersson is a top pair D. He is not be an Elite D but he is established as a top pair D.

He is also the best RD available as when you look around the league other teams are not offering guys like Makar or Seider.

But that is why you add a 1st and a winger prospect to the deal.



There are only 20 RD above Andersson in points in his "bad" season last year. Considering there are 32 teams, that would imply he is a top pair dman. If you look at a different stat like TOI, he was #8 in the league for RD.

You are both valuing him too low because of +/-.

Also, it is lazy to say that a trade can only happen with Parekh, Coronato, and our 1st all going the other way. No team is offering a package that looks like that and Parekh by himself is arguably more valuable than Smith.
We can argue all you want about Andersson's value, but he's going to bring in a Misa or Smith regardless of the add-ons.

His age and expecting a huge contract also affects his value. They'd want a guy more like Dobson.
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How about Huberdeau to Gridin?
I think back to that video from a few years back that pointed out how much Huberdeau liked to pull up and hit the late man with one of his weird twitchy passes.

Now that late man is gonna be Zayne Parekh.

I don’t know when Gridin is going to play with Huberdeau outside the powerplay, if even then (at least to start).
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We can argue all you want about Andersson's value, but he's going to bring in a Misa or Smith regardless of the add-ons.

His age and expecting a huge contract also affects his value. They'd want a guy more like Dobson.
If the Islanders could have got the Misa pick for Dobson it would have happened.
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If the Islanders could have got the Misa pick for Dobson it would have happened.
Absolutely. I'm just giving am example of the type of dman SJ would target, not suggesting that they would have done such a thing.

If Andersson gets traded for a centre, it would be either a project, or perhaps a guy more like Kadri.
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First, Andersson has to have a good year, not a ####ty year like last year

Then you can talk quality returns

Right now , he is worth a 2nd and a B prospect, maybe low 1st if some one is desperate
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First, Andersson has to have a good year, not a ####ty year like last year

Then you can talk quality returns

Right now , he is worth a 2nd and a B prospect, maybe low 1st if some one is desperate
I can assure you the LA deal was better than this. Ras will get a 1st+ or a better player/prospect. 2nd and a B is not happening.
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First, Andersson has to have a good year, not a ####ty year like last year

Then you can talk quality returns

Right now , he is worth a 2nd and a B prospect, maybe low 1st if some one is desperate
I would bet any amount of money that countless teams would happily give up a 1st straight up for Andersson if that was acceptable to the Flames.

You say that as if you've heard the proposals yourself
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I would bet any amount of money that countless teams would happily give up a 1st straight up for Andersson if that was acceptable to the Flames.

You say that as if you've heard the proposals yourself
Hanifin got a low 1st and a scrub and he was a much better player
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Hanifin got a low 1st and a scrub and he was a much better player
Says you.

RHD >>> LHD in the NHL. Not much of an argument, especially with Andersson's cap
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We can argue all you want about Andersson's value, but he's going to bring in a Misa or Smith regardless of the add-ons.

His age and expecting a huge contract also affects his value. They'd want a guy more like Dobson.
The only reason there is expectation of a huge contract is because.... he is a top pair D.

That is compounded by the fact that he is a top pair RHS D, which is more rare than a LHS D, and there are very few top pair D available, even if they are not elite.

You are probably right. The Sharks will likely try and keep all of their centers and morph their team into some new age version of the leafs where they have a "big 4" forward group, 1 good D, and a goalie and hope that works. When it doesn't work and they are stuck in cap jail, one or more of those "big 4" will probably walk to free agency.

But, it will be interesting to watch if when they will try to force Smith or Misa onto the wing and they will refuse to sign their next contract and ask for a trade.

Same with the Ducks and Carlsson, McTavish, and McQueen. None of these guys worked their asses off to get drafted in the top 10 of their draft a highly coveted C to get shunted to the wing.

It is hard for a GM to have all of the leverage when their guy is demanding out and can start saying things like "I won't sign there".
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