Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Hahahahahahahahahaha.







Oh, you're being serious?

What did I say that was incorrect?

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How could the Liberal government let this happen?

The honorable member from Battle River Crowfoot will respond in due course, I'm sure.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“We decided to spend $330 million to take advantage of new and emerging technology to increase efficiency which we hope to recoup in savings over the next several years… AND IT’S ALL BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CAMPAIGNS!’”

Sounds well reasoned.

I don't know what this is in response to but our country is not an attractive investment jurisdiction for foreign capital regardless of industry. Uncertain regulatory processes, costs and lack of cooperation and direction between the two levels of government have essentially stalled our economy.

Canada has a lot of issues right now, thankfully Carney seems to both understand this and certainly has the skillset required to turn it around, he just needs to be able to sell it.

[edslunch]

Jeff Rath, Mitch Sylvestre and Dennis Modry, the cofounder, CEO, and chairman of the Alberta Prosperity Project (APP), respectively, visited the Capitol on Monday for their second round of talks with American leaders about Albertan independence. “We’re literally one degree of separation from the Oval Office,” Rath said of Monday’s meeting.

The group met with special assistants and advisers the first time, he said, but this time, “the level of the meeting has been elevated as an indication of the strong support from the United States for Alberta independence,” Rath said, noting that he has been asked not to divulge names.

He did add, however, that the officials were at the cabinet level and that one left their meeting to go directly to the Oval Office.Jeff Rath, Mitch Sylvestre and Dennis Modry, the cofounder, CEO, and chairman of the Alberta Prosperity Project (APP), respectively, visited the Capitol on Monday for their second round of talks with American leaders about Albertan independence.

US Cabinet officials are meeting with these three yahoos who have no power but the provincial leadership is not involved in the background? Riiiggghhhttt.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...c32e2ff7&ei=17

[IliketoPuck]

So that's brushing right up against treason, no?

[The Yen Man]

Selling out to another country. I'd say that's the definition of treason.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't know what this is in response to but our country is not an attractive investment jurisdiction for foreign capital regardless of industry. Uncertain regulatory processes, costs and lack of cooperation and direction between the two levels of government have essentially stalled our economy.

Canada has a lot of issues right now, thankfully Carney seems to both understand this and certainly has the skillset required to turn it around, he just needs to be able to sell it.

You don’t know what it’s in response to despite it being mentioned several times by both Imperial and experts acknowledging worldwide trends (along with in-thread references to these worldwide trends being realized worldwide) and still mocked the idea of it being due to worldwide trends? lol

I don’t know, maybe if you’re already acknowledging the Alberta government role in a “lack of cooperation” and Carney’s understanding and desire to fix these issues, perhaps you can see why parroting Smith who also ignored why this happened to take some shots at Ottawa is really silly?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Selling out to another country. I'd say that's the definition of treason.

I’m sure they’ve got some level of “freeman on the land”/Queen of Canada delusion where they believe Canadian laws don’t apply to them because they don’t identify as Canadian.

[woob]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

The feds have absolutely contributed to the problem. But I sure didn't see a whole lot of success from the Harper conservatives either on the O&G file.

You know what else has contributed to the problem? Six decades of (slightly) interrupted conservative control of our province, culminating in the current iteration of whatever the hell this anti-democratic garbage is we are currently having to deal with.

We love to complain in Alberta that we are always getting screwed by the federal government, while at the same time lauding our own entrepreneurial free spirit. We then turn around and vote like a bunch of sheep for the same party because, and really I have no other explanation, we like the color blue?

People point to Quebec as a great example of using provincial separatist threats to get concessions. You know why Quebec gets concessions? Because they are willing to throw their federal MPs to the curb without a second thought in any given election. And the MPs know it. Alberta throws their vote away every single election because we predictably only vote conservative. It's the cushiest job in federal politics, by far; just ask my MP (Rempel). Pretty sure the only time I see her face is when it pops up on posters at election time. It sure isn't because she's getting anything done in Ottawa.

This province needs:

1. A PST to reduce our reliance on oil and gas prices to balance our budget.
2. Re-investment into the heritage fund and a moratorium on withdrawals for a 20 year period.
3. Re-investment into our education and health care systems (Lougheed model).
4. A relentless focus on attracting all forms of investment (energy, tech, renewable, etc. etc.), not just ones that align with the current political ideology of a bunch of wild rose grifters.

Where's that bike meme with the stick and the spokes and blaming someone else for your own stupidity when you need it?

Great post. The whole renewables fiasco is so frustrating. But frustrating is the theme with the UCP.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

What did I say that was incorrect?

"Oil and gas consumption has increased and continues to increase every year, that's not changing" - Specifically, the part where you believe "that's not changing". I am guessing you are getting your beliefs from OPEC.

The IEA disagrees with that assessment and, if I may be so bold, they know their stuff better and are far more objective than OPEC. They think peak oil could happen by 2030 based on the change in demand as countries accelerate adoption of EVs and renewables.

OPEC argues "O&G forever" based on slower adoption of new technology. But the only way they can get slower adoption is if they install puppet governments full of common sense conservatives who will kill investments and projects into renewable energy and electric cars.... oh wait, that is what is happening in Alberta and America. Thank goodness it didn't happen with the feds, too.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by woob

Great post. The whole renewables fiasco is so frustrating. But frustrating is the theme with the UCP.

I have not seen pragmatic conservatism in a long time. The kind that focuses on investments and is unconcerned with what individuals want to do with their lives.

Instead we now have the complete opposite that is now modern conservatism. A government that spends money on all sorts of random #### and waste resources on telling trans kids to stop being trans.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Wolven

"Oil and gas consumption has increased and continues to increase every year, that's not changing" - Specifically, the part where you believe "that's not changing". I am guessing you are getting your beliefs from OPEC.

The IEA disagrees with that assessment and, if I may be so bold, they know their stuff better and are far more objective than OPEC. They think peak oil could happen by 2030 based on the change in demand as countries accelerate adoption of EVs and renewables.

OPEC argues "O&G forever" based on slower adoption of new technology. But the only way they can get slower adoption is if they install puppet governments full of common sense conservatives who will kill investments and projects into renewable energy and electric cars.... oh wait, that is what is happening in Alberta and America. Thank goodness it didn't happen with the feds, too.

The IEA is about to revise their prediction of "peak oil" until 2050. Even if you believe in any of these ridiculous predictions, that's still a really long time.

[Locke]

Haven't they been predicting 'Peak Oil' since 1975?

They're like those 'Rapture' people.

[IliketoPuck]

Yes, in fairness, they've had to walk back a lot of their previous work on "peak oil".

Primarily to do with US Shale production rolling over. Diamondback (producer out of the US, is a great follow for on the nose commentary that doesn't pull punches).

https://boereport.com/2025/10/01/dia...th-60-bbl-oil/

[Locke]

"This time for suresies tho!!"

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Locke

Haven't they been predicting 'Peak Oil' since 1975?

They're like those 'Rapture' people.

I heard the Rapture was rescheduled for next week...again,

[Locke]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I heard the Rapture was rescheduled for next week...again,

I thought it was supposed to be last week? I just figured that it happened and nobody noticed.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

The IEA is about to revise their prediction of "peak oil" until 2050. Even if you believe in any of these ridiculous predictions, that's still a really long time.

Ummm. No they're not

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Yes, in fairness, they've had to walk back a lot of their previous work on "peak oil".

Primarily to do with US Shale production rolling over. Diamondback (producer out of the US, is a great follow for on the nose commentary that doesn't pull punches).

https://boereport.com/2025/10/01/dia...th-60-bbl-oil/

That's because they base their predictions on policy and hope (or advocacy) and not on how people are actually behaving. People like modern comforts and amenities. Those things require energy. Fossil Fuels are still the cheapest and easiest way to create, store and transport energy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

The IEA is about to revise their prediction of "peak oil" until 2050. Even if you believe in any of these ridiculous predictions, that's still a really long time.

Really? Because their latest report from June has it peaking by 2030.

Global oil demand is forecast to increase by an aggregate 2.5 mb/d over our 2024-30 outlook period, to reach 105.5 mb/d by the end of the decade. However, these gains are strongly front-loaded, with growth slowing from around 720 kb/d in 2025-26 to a mid-period plateau, before entering a narrow contraction in the final year. Subpar economic growth and the accelerating substitution away from oil in the transport and power generation sectors are the main structural drivers of this slowdown.

Petrochemicals, led by the steady increase in global natural gas liquids (NGLs) supply, and a continued shift towards biofuels account for the overwhelming majority of growth from 2026 onwards. As a result, demand for oil from combustible fossil fuels – which excludes petrochemical feedstocks and biofuels – looks set to plateau at around 84 mb/d. As a consequence, CO 2 emissions from oil use are now forecast to hit an apex by 2027.

https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/as...c3/Oil2025.pdf