Is not having a strong farm team where these future players are playing top minutes, carry more responsibility, and build chemistry with each other better than having an old farm team with young guys filling in the fourth line and third pairing? And how is Conroy keeping miro/kirk/bean prioritizing the present? If the consensus is that these three are replacement level and that there are better younger options to fill these roles prioritizing the future as the current team is worse given the current roster?
Not a comment on you/your post but I find it funny how so many posters want the team to tank or be bottom 10, but also play all the "stud" young'uns. If the goal is to be bad, then make the Wranglers really good to breed a winning culture and give the kids, as mentioned above, more opportunity and responsibility. Let the big team be meh for a few years to further stock the cupboard and give the up and comers time to develop in the pro game. The idea that names like Gridin, kerins, and bruz will walk on and be great is a little short sighted as they have, what, three pro seasons between the three of them.
Not saying young players can't make the jump and be effective on the big team but what's the rush?
In principle I agree.
But the ‘rush’ is related to asset management and prospect development.
Both Solo and Kuz, and likely Morton, are unlikely to gain anything further from the AHL based on their experience and age. Being at the NHL level, getting into 50%+ of the games, and practicing full time is more likely to positively impact their development (at this stage) than the AHL.
As for asset management, these players are at risk to be taken by another team for nothing. Conroy should be asking himself (1) when is this team aiming to be competitive? From what we have heard, 2-3 years. Next question: (2) in 2-3 years, which player is more likely to be a positive contributor to the team?
If he is being honest, he should be prioritising the player with the higher ceiling and contractual obligation to be in Calgary. I can guarantee that Bean, Kirkland and Miro will not be here in 2 seasons, so why prioritise them? Especially if the skill difference between them and the prospects is negligible?
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I would like to see bean and miromanov cut and coleman traded... would be a lot better for the franchise to leave a couple spots open for young players who have earned it in camp or in the A this year than having a bunch of older mid level veterans already at their ceiling clogging it up like they are now.
Feels like they are counting on injuries to create ice time at the nhl level and will just make the easy move.. waive solo again and cut gridin because it's easy. Probably miromanov cut as well because of beans family connections I bet
Gridin
Miro (waivers)
Solo (waivers)
Cooley (waivers)
is my guess
If Jake the disaster Bean ends up a regular in the lineup this year it will quickly kill any faith in Ryan Huska I may have gained in the offseason. Which isn't a whole hell of a lot anyhow.
Less than 50% chance that Kuznetsov gets claimed IMO.
Morton is interesting - I think Morton > Schwindt from what I saw in a short sample size. So who knows?
Hopefully everyone clears. However, there are going to be good players being lost over the next few seasons as more prospects graduate and competition intensifies.
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Every year I predict no one will get claimed, because statistically almost everyone clears this time of year. Having said that, I am a little worried about Kuz and Morton, I thought they were ahead of Solo/Miro and Kirkland.
I do hope Gridin and Kerins can find a way to stick.
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So no changes aside from Parekh then. Getting the not-very-good-gang back together again. Sounds fun.
The “not-very-good-gang” were a tie-breaker away from the playoffs, 5 points back of the “in-the-window” Oilers. We have Wolf, we will never be a bottom feeder with him as the starter. You might as well get used to retooling on the fly.
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The “not-very-good-gang” were a tie-breaker away from the playoffs, 5 points back of the “in-the-window” Oilers. We have Wolf, we will never be a bottom feeder with him as the starter. You might as well get used to retooling on the fly.
And ...these picks from Trades keep proving themselves into higher spots on depth charts and pushing our vets to be way better.
So retooling is becoming easier as i see it. Having the Wranglers here as well hells immensely as those players KNOW how close they are ....moreso now more than ever before .
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The “not-very-good-gang” were a tie-breaker away from the playoffs, 5 points back of the “in-the-window” Oilers. We have Wolf, we will never be a bottom feeder with him as the starter. You might as well get used to retooling on the fly.
Like I said, didn't even make the playoffs. Anyway, I don't get the lack of movement to move even one guy out all summer on an obvious logjam. Why are you collecting every left shot 3rd liner in the league like it's a stock that's going to explode one day?
And ...these picks from Trades keep proving themselves into higher spots on depth charts and pushing our vets to be way better.
So retooling is becoming easier as i see it. Having the Wranglers here as well hells immensely as those players KNOW how close they are ....moreso now more than ever before .
Yeah, and if it means we have to lose guys like Morton and Kirkland to waivers, or lower picks that are developing slower than we hoped, then that is the price we pay.
We are typing a lot of words about 4th liners and extra d-men, at this stage.
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Like I said, didn't even make the playoffs. Anyway, I don't get the lack of movement to move even one guy out all summer on an obvious logjam. Why are you collecting every left shot 3rd liner in the league like it's a stock that's going to explode one day?
Just like you, no one else wants to pay anything for these guys either.
We move them by putting them on waivers and sending them down.
CC isn’t losing sleep about any of these guys clearing. It’s like you say, he has a log jam of them that he can’t deal away. So someone can have them for ‘free.’
Honzek was ok but not like a major push to the team that we couldn't deny. Dominate the AHL and get used to your new body etc..
Watching him you can definitely see the talent. I think he has an issue with playing to his size, he wants to be a fancy player, knows that he needs to be physical but it isn't in his makeup to be that way. He reminds me a lot of Kakko with the Rangers, just couldn't figure out the physical aspect.
He doesn't need to kill guys with hits but at least take them out of the play. Hopefully he figures it out.
In principle I agree.
But the ‘rush’ is related to asset management and prospect development.
Both Solo and Kuz, and likely Morton, are unlikely to gain anything further from the AHL based on their experience and age. Being at the NHL level, getting into 50%+ of the games, and practicing full time is more likely to positively impact their development (at this stage) than the AHL.
As for asset management, these players are at risk to be taken by another team for nothing. Conroy should be asking himself (1) when is this team aiming to be competitive? From what we have heard, 2-3 years. Next question: (2) in 2-3 years, which player is more likely to be a positive contributor to the team?
If he is being honest, he should be prioritising the player with the higher ceiling and contractual obligation to be in Calgary. I can guarantee that Bean, Kirkland and Miro will not be here in 2 seasons, so why prioritise them? Especially if the skill difference between them and the prospects is negligible?
Very valid and I agree totally. From a future looking perspective you are 100% correct. I guess the reality of "high quality" management is the ability to have the future plan materialize given the constraints of the current situation.
I feel like Flames management is one season behind in the timing of this rebuild. You can argue that Wolf arrived one season too early, now we have a bunch of young guys knocking on the door but need one more year to clear spots for them. Management is looking to be competitive in 2-3 years but under ideal conditions with roster timing our window could have been opening in 1-2 based on the skill and ability of our prospects.
I don't mean to open a can of worms here and take this thread off topic, and anyone who replies to this paragraph with anything more than an "I concur" or "Debatable" will have 7 years of aggressive incurable creeping athletes foot. But you could argue that Brad making the moves to be competitive instead of rebuilding is what caused the timing error.
Very valid and I agree totally. From a future looking perspective you are 100% correct. I guess the reality of "high quality" management is the ability to have the future plan materialize given the constraints of the current situation.
I feel like Flames management is one season behind in the timing of this rebuild. You can argue that Wolf arrived one season too early, now we have a bunch of young guys knocking on the door but need one more year to clear spots for them. Management is looking to be competitive in 2-3 years but under ideal conditions with roster timing our window could have been opening in 1-2 based on the skill and ability of our prospects.
I don't mean to open a can of worms here and take this thread off topic, and anyone who replies to this paragraph with anything more than an "I concur" or "Debatable" will have 7 years of aggressive incurable creeping athletes foot. But you could argue that Brad making the moves to be competitive instead of rebuilding is what caused the timing error.
I think you are right. Flames are ahead of schedule because of Wolf. Which sucks for guys that need more time in the oven.
Gotta bite the bullet - time to move guys if you can.
There might be a market for some of our waiver guys that teams would rather send someone back for rather than plucking them off waivers because of contracts/roster issues, or fear that another team earlier in the pecking order will beat them to it. But that seems like a slim chance.
Other guys like Coleman could maintain or decline in value. Age, injury, there are lots of risk factors. If you know you are moving on eventually, why wait.
As Rhett said today on his podcast, how many points does moving a vet really cost you in the season? And are we really sure that the new guy will be a downgrade? Maybe we are valuing experience too much. A guy like Gridin won’t wilt. An extra year being centred by Backs could pay off down the line.
Klapka is a replacement level player , his upside is Duehr
Yes, it’s a ‘hot take’
Don't think so, Klapka is way better than Duehr already and is also a giant. Guy is unstopable when he uses his size and was starting to do so at the end of last season. Would be ridiculously stupid to give him away now. (and he would be taken)
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I'm not comfortable exposing Kuznetsov to the waiver wire. He's the kind of bargain bin pick up the Oilers need. He's right there in terms of being a full time NHL player. In my estimation his training camp overall was pretty great. Last night the BRZ and Kuznetsov Pairing got worked though. But overall in that game he was 60 percent good and 40 percent bad.
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