09-24-2025, 09:33 AM
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#281
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I've taken some heat lately for using numbers to support what I see.
Here is a great example of the numbers backing what most in this game thread have already stated.
Bruz, Kerins, Morton, Coronato, Kuznetsov and Honzek good.
Bahl and Kirkland bad.
Parekh showing a rough time away from the puck but magic with it.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1970694431427764565
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09-24-2025, 09:41 AM
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#282
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2025
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Being at the game last night, I don’t understand the love for Kuznetsov. I thought he was horrific and not close to pushing for a spot with the big team.
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09-24-2025, 09:50 AM
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#283
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Truculent!
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Brz looked exponentially better than the prospects game.
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09-24-2025, 09:51 AM
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#284
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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I've been hoping that Stromgren would make a better showing. You can see he's smooth and good with the puck, has vision... but the sense of urgency just doesn't seem to be there yet.
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09-24-2025, 09:53 AM
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#285
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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If Honzek had the step he had in the third period and finished more hits he'd be almost impossible to cut.
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09-24-2025, 09:54 AM
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#286
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DreDayPucks
Being at the game last night, I don’t understand the love for Kuznetsov. I thought he was horrific and not close to pushing for a spot with the big team.
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horrific?!
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09-24-2025, 09:58 AM
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#287
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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No player was horrific last night. It was a good performance (sooo much better than Sunday). I thought Kuz moved his feet really well and didn't see much to complain about. Parekh had way more brain farts and turnovers (which is to be expected for a guy that wants to handle the puck).
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09-24-2025, 10:00 AM
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#288
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Toonage
An easy decision for Huska & Conroy is to waive Kirkland.
I just don't get the love for him.
Steinberg on 960 being shocked that Kirkland wasn't signed right away when free agency opened was just as baffling.
He's coming off a pretty major injury and surgery. Not the youngest guy anymore. Sure he's only the 4C, but they have other options who are playing better in what is, admittedly, early in the pre-season.
He's a good story. But there are better options.
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We need him for shootouts.
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09-24-2025, 10:01 AM
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#289
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Kerins deserves a spot given the production with limited ice time in the NHL. Don't you want a forward that manages to score on minimal shifts? I think he is a diamond in the rough still and absolutely deserves a bigger sample size. Kirkland is fine as a 14th forward. As of right now I have the lineup as (and you can mix/match the top 12):
Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
Zary - Frost - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Farabee
Lomberg - *Pospisil* - Klapka
Kerins, Kirkland
*If you hate Pospisil at 4C, then have Lomberg - Backlund - Coleman as the 4th line with one of the LW/RW alternating with Backlund and Coleman (Coleman plays both sides) since they likely get more ice time than Lomberg. We're pretty cluttered at forward. If we have a rough year, I would think Coleman and Farabee would be a few people available at the deadline for picks. That is also assuming Farabee regains some sort of value.
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09-24-2025, 10:11 AM
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#290
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I've taken some heat lately for using numbers to support what I see.
Here is a great example of the numbers backing what most in this game thread have already stated.
Bruz, Kerins, Morton, Coronato, Kuznetsov and Honzek good.
Bahl and Kirkland bad.
Parekh showing a rough time away from the puck but magic with it.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1970694431427764565 |
I'm confused - this chart is giving him almost nothing for individual offense. And his individual defense wasn't bad, he just suffered with team defense.
And it says his PP time was a negative. It seems the opposite of everything that actually transpired last night
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09-24-2025, 10:17 AM
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#291
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#1 Goaltender
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Hopefully just a rough game for Bahl
Many pundits and analytics guys saying we overpaid massively for him.
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
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09-24-2025, 10:45 AM
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#292
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
We need him for shootouts.
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Do we?
They average 7 per season or 8.5% of their games.
He shoots once in every shootout which is 7 times and scores maybe 4.
Not sure that out weighs five on five contributions and potentially Morton's higher upside.
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09-24-2025, 10:47 AM
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#293
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I'm confused - this chart is giving him almost nothing for individual offense. And his individual defense wasn't bad, he just suffered with team defense.
And it says his PP time was a negative. It seems the opposite of everything that actually transpired last night
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For Parekh that's fair for sure.
Even Bahl is all team defense negative.
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09-24-2025, 10:47 AM
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#294
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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^^ And again all that success front loaded last season (obviously due to injury) but how long would it honestly take for goalies and coaches to get up to speed on him? He literally had one move lol.
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09-24-2025, 10:50 AM
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#295
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Chocolah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Hopefully just a rough game for Bahl
Many pundits and analytics guys saying we overpaid massively for him.
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Gotta think part of Bahl's score is a function of some defensive lapses for Parekh. I'm no expert on the chart, but if Bahl was mostly playing conservatively and covering for Parekh, the numbers can make him look like the liability even if he’s actually playing “clean-up.” Would be curious who watched the fall game what the eye-test says.
Bruz seems like he can be very effective in a very quiet way. Clearly he dominated that game but wasn't standing out in the same way as you'd expect. I very much like him
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09-24-2025, 10:53 AM
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#296
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Hopefully just a rough game for Bahl
Many pundits and analytics guys saying we overpaid massively for him.
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Did they see that man play last season?
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09-24-2025, 11:01 AM
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#297
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Do we?
They average 7 per season or 8.5% of their games.
He shoots once in every shootout which is 7 times and scores maybe 4.
Not sure that out weighs five on five contributions and potentially Morton's higher upside.
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If I recall, he had two game winning goals last season via the shoot out.
Before he was hurt
Flames had 14 loser points last year,
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09-24-2025, 11:03 AM
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#298
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Truculent!
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By the eye test I thought Bahl looked good. Weird, I guess that's why we try to take that bias out!
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Originally Posted by Poe969
It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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09-24-2025, 11:07 AM
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#299
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Do we?
They average 7 per season or 8.5% of their games.
He shoots once in every shootout which is 7 times and scores maybe 4.
Not sure that out weighs five on five contributions and potentially Morton's higher upside.
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It was the most unsophisticated analysis based on a couple nice highlight goals that it probably doesn't need a data review.
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09-24-2025, 11:08 AM
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#300
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Do we?
They average 7 per season or 8.5% of their games.
He shoots once in every shootout which is 7 times and scores maybe 4.
Not sure that out weighs five on five contributions and potentially Morton's higher upside.
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Putting in a more impactful player during 5 on 5 (and 3 on 3) could reduce reliance on shootouts, which is probably more meaningful to the Flames' performance.
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