American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[SutterBrother]

It's not bad to celebrate the deaths of evil people.

Charlie Kirk at best said gay people shouldn't have equal rights. At worst he called for their deaths (via the bible).

He was a bigot. He made millions from being a bigot.

As the only personality that could reasonably inherit the cult from Trump, it's a big blow to the MAGA (hence their appearances here).

Finally - getting killed by gun violence is only ironic because he was 31. It's the leading cause of death amongst American children.

A cause of death he fully supported - because it made him millions of dollars to do so.

That's a hilarious and awesome way for him to be excised from society.

If you support him in any way - welp, glad to know what a degen you are too.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Shut up, no one cares about your crocodile tears you nerd.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

... Also... And I should probably just ignore this, but...

Originally Posted by simmer2

I assume then that everyone who is OK with Kirk being murdered is then also supportive of things like 1) the death penalty 2) murdering those on one side of a war who they don't agree with....maybe all Israelis who are getting killed by Palestinians??

No, it's not like the death penalty because no one has suggested that Kirk should have been subject to being killed by the state for what he was saying. Some people have suggested that he should have been subject to criminal prosecution, in that they think Canada has it right and that if Kirk were saying the stuff he says in Canada he'd be charged under s.319 of the Criminal Code (I'm not sure that's even true). That's the most you could say.

For number 2, it's not even controversial to say "I'm happy those soldiers who are carrying out a war I am opposed to died". No one is shedding a tear when they see Russian troop casualty reports coming out of Ukraine, and unlike Kirk, no one even knows how many of those dead soldiers were actually bad people. It's not remotely the same situation as a result but you suggesting this is some sort of "gotcha" is pretty weird.

[SutterBrother]

Suddenly shootings are bad mkay?

For millions of conservative Christians, Charlie Kirk was the ultimate disciple. He symbolized the hope of the new Christian right, breaking down the borders between right-wing politics and evangelical faith to transform the next generation of America.

NY Times

Reminds me of all those opinion pieces from Evangelicals who suddenly get reasonable and tolerant when a family member comes out as gay.

"Once it affected ME, homophobia was a problem!"

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Drak

The bad news is, this is Reichstag Fire level stuff.

Earlier this week the RW noise machine ran a massive op blaming all black people for the stabbing of Iryna Zarutska. Now the RW is blaming an entire party for Kirk’s assassination, even though it’s one person who did it and they don’t even know who that person is.

Beyond insanity, hypocrisy and stupidity.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

I am not celebrating or applauding or advocating for the killing of other Nazi's. But, I also see no sadness in Charlie Kirk's death. It is not about Kirk having different opinions than me. He espoused extreme hate and extreme intolerance and violence to certain sections of the population. And, he made money from it. He was a Nazi. He was a christofacist. He was a POS. He was simply a bad, bad person. Everything about him and his ilk should never, never, never be accepted in a decent society.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Did anyone watch Trump's speech or tribute or whatever that was last night about Kirk's killing? Was that AI?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

I am not celebrating or applauding or advocating for the killing of other Nazi's. But, I also see no sadness in Charlie Kirk's death. It is not about Kirk having different opinions than me. He espoused extreme hate and extreme intolerance and violence to certain sections of the population. And, he made money from it. He was a Nazi. He was a christofacist. He was a POS. He was simply a bad, bad person. Everything about him and his ilk should never, never, never be accepted in a decent society.

So you’re saying that you’re celebrating by applauding this? Sorry, this is how the reading comprehension is going in this thread…

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

I am not celebrating or applauding or advocating for the killing of other Nazi's.

You're not? You should celebrate the death of Nazis. Just make sure they are actual Nazis (like Kirk) who call for bigotry and persecution, and you're not using the term broadly.

Here's a quick rundown of what a great guy Kirk was.

Kirk on camera talking about how he feels

Openly espousing bigotry is not a "difference of opinion". It means you're a POS. The nicest thing you can say for most MAGA is that they're ignorant, rather than pure bigots themselves.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by simmer2

People trying to somehow defend the death of someone in cold blood is sure using some mental gymnastics to justify their position.

I assume then that everyone who is OK with Kirk being murdered is then also supportive of things like 1) the death penalty 2) murdering those on one side of a war who they don't agree with....maybe all Israelis who are getting killed by Palestinians??

It's an incredibly slippery slope when all of a sudden we're OK with somebody being killed because of their beliefs, regardless of whether we agree with them or not.

Shouldn't you MAGAs be totally ok with his death, as this is just the unfortunate price all the right wingers were willing to pay to keep things the way they are with the 2nd Amendment? Those were literally your hero's words. He lived by the sword, he died by it. You guys should be celebrating his sacrifice for your causes.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There is also something to be said about the fact that we're all on a Canadian message board and talking about the death of someone who vocally supported invading this country and tried to rally others to that point of view. One fewer of that particular species of propagandist is all to the good.

[Winsor_Pilates]

It's telling that not one Kirk defender in this thread has commented on a single hateful/controversial statement he made.
I didn't know of him, but would be curious to hear why his followers think he was a good person.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by simmer2

People trying to somehow defend the death of someone in cold blood is sure using some mental gymnastics to justify their position.

I assume then that everyone who is OK with Kirk being murdered is then also supportive of things like 1) the death penalty 2) murdering those on one side of a war who they don't agree with....maybe all Israelis who are getting killed by Palestinians??

It's an incredibly slippery slope when all of a sudden we're OK with somebody being killed because of their beliefs, regardless of whether we agree with them or not.

Do you need help? Seriously. You seem very overwrought about some ding dong you don't know and who wouldn't have given you the posthumous BJ you're giving him, if this had been you instead of him. I should probably be surprised that you're trying to put words in people's mouths while yours is so full, but I'm not. Calm your TTs, brodude. You're absolutely hysterical at this point. Some effer died. Oh well.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

It's telling that not one Kirk defender in this thread has commented on a single hateful/controversial statement he made.
I didn't know of him, but would be curious to hear why his followers think he was a good person.

Don't you know? It's because he was able to procreate! He's a father, which apparently automatically makes him a good person.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

It's telling that not one Kirk defender in this thread has commented on a single hateful/controversial statement he made.
I didn't know of him, but would be curious to hear why his followers think he was a good person.

Because they secretly agree with him lol. They just don't want to out themselves.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If we're being fair - and we're probably not because this is a political thread on calgarypuck - no one has said they think he was a good person or that anything he's ever said was defensible.

[Johnny Makarov]

Seriously though. I think 100s of millions would be pretty happy if Trump got Malarchucked. The world would be a much better place.

[SutterBrother]

He was an evil person who profiteered off the misery of murdered children.

To suggest that school shootings are "worth it" because of a political amendment from 233 years ago isn't an "opinion". It's sh-t house rat crazy to every parent.

There is nothing wrong with being happy, mocking, enjoying the death of a monster.

[Drak]

Charlie Kirk believed:

-Gay people should be stoned to death
-Civil rights should never have happened
-Americans should be allowed to legally whip foreigners
-Men should be allowed to physically attack trans people
- That black people steal white people’s jobs and are too stupid to fly planes
- That American Jews give whites a bad name
-Muslims come to America to destroy it
- Children dying in mass shootings is collateral damage for his right to bear arms
- That Canada should be invaded


MAGAts in the comments pretend are whining and crying that lots of folks here have zero sympathy for him is all we need to know about these folks.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If we're being fair - and we're probably not because this is a political thread on calgarypuck - no one has said they think he was a good person or that anything he's ever said was defensible.

It's implied when they've skirted around all of his bigoted commentary and just attacked CP for being too left, too woke, despicable etc.

These posters should be able to articulate more substance & thought on the person they are defending.

As i said, it's very telling they choose not to engage with substance.