Israel declares war on Hamas

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by indes

Isreal going after Hamas in Qatar

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article...tal-city-doha/

They are bombing the ceasefire mediators.

https://www.wbal.com/israel-targeted...efire-proposal

How in the world is this not stunningly obvious to everyone that they have no interest in ending this war.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I was just in Dresden, and spent some time looking at after war photos. The similarities are striking. The difference is the allies had strategic reasons, in theory anyway. And it only lasted two days, instead of two years.


Great pictures here:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/w...niversary.html

The fire bombing of Dresden was literally hell on earth (if you believe in a hell).

Both are ####ing appalling.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by indes

Isreal going after Hamas in Qatar

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article...tal-city-doha/

It makes sense when you consider that cease fire talks were in progress and if those were successful, Israel would not be able to complete their goal to forcibly remove everyone from Palestine either through relocation or bombing.

[Fuzz]

If you are wondering why it seems like the guards for the aid distribution sites are just randomly shooting innocent people for sport, well...

The firm guarding sites where aid is distributed in Gaza has been using members of a US biker gang with a history of hostility to Islam to run its armed security, a BBC investigation has found.

BBC News has confirmed the identities of 10 members of the Infidels Motorcycle Club working in Gaza for UG Solutions - a private contractor providing security at Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites, where hundreds of civilians seeking food have been killed in scenes of chaos and gunfire.

In total, at least 40 of about 320 people hired to work for UG Solutions in Gaza were recruited from Infidels MC, according to an estimate by a former contractor.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2zy4l8jgeo

WAR CRIMES.

[PepsiFree]

Surely the genocide deniers will have something to say about this, after all, this was really the whole reason for destroying hospitals, aid sites, defunding the UNRWA, etc, right? Can’t have terrorists embedded in your ranks.

Shame they only pop in when a source is a bit suspect or when a troll rears its head. You know, the big issues at play.

[Icantwhisper]

Pro Palestine protestors having an impact on the Vuelta, racing moves to Quebec City and Montreal this weekend with protests expected to happen during races there as well. Be interesting to see the police presence. Might be easier to manage as they are circuit races.
For those who don't know Israel - Premier Tech is a major pro team with Canadian ownership and is the main focus of protestors

[Language]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Pro Palestine protestors having an impact on the Vuelta, racing moves to Quebec City and Montreal this weekend with protests expected to happen during races there as well. Be interesting to see the police presence. Might be easier to manage as they are circuit races.
For those who don't know Israel - Premier Tech is a major pro team with Canadian ownership and is the main focus of protestors

The pro-Palestine protesters sure seem to know who to target.

I’m sure you’ll similarly find Jews protesting outside Ahmad’s falafel shop for the hostages to be released.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

The pro-Palestine protesters sure seem to know who to target.

I’m sure you’ll similarly find Jews protesting outside Ahmad’s falafel shop for the hostages to be released.


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Nothing to say about the previous posts though. Genocide deniers are a weird bunch.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Pro Palestine protestors having an impact on the Vuelta, racing moves to Quebec City and Montreal this weekend with protests expected to happen during races there as well. Be interesting to see the police presence. Might be easier to manage as they are circuit races.
For those who don't know Israel - Premier Tech is a major pro team with Canadian ownership and is the main focus of protestors

I'll be at the protest on Sunday. I will let you guys know how it goes.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Language

The pro-Palestine protesters sure seem to know who to target.

I’m sure you’ll similarly find Jews protesting outside Ahmad’s falafel shop for the hostages to be released.


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If Ahmad’s falafel shop was providing funding to murder innocent Jews while defending it, then sure, that would be a reasonable thing to do.

[Language]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nothing to say about the previous posts though. Genocide deniers are a weird bunch.

I’ve already made my thoughts clear months ago in this thread as to why I don’t believe a genocide is taking place.

As a matter of fact, I believe you and I had a back and forth discussion on it. I don’t feel the need to rehash it all over again. I’m not going to change your opinion, and you’re not going to change mine.


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[Language]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

If Ahmad’s falafel shop was providing funding to murder innocent Jews while defending it, then sure, that would be a reasonable thing to do.

I’m sure Ahmed is providing the same sort of funding that the Israeli cyclist is, aka - none. Doesn’t seem to be stopping the pro-Palestine lot.


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[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Language

I’ve already made my thoughts clear months ago in this thread as to why I don’t believe a genocide is taking place.

As a matter of fact, I believe you and I had a back and forth discussion on it. I don’t feel the need to rehash it all over again. I’m not going to change your opinion, and you’re not going to change mine.


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I’ll just go ahead and keep posting this, maybe you’ll actually read it one of these times and reply.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/o...estinians.html

I know me and Pepsi won’t change your mind. But I’m curious how someone who is literally a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies at an Ivy League university, and who just happens to be Israeli and a former IDF member, doesn’t change your mind and what your response to this article is.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

I’ve already made my thoughts clear months ago in this thread as to why I don’t believe a genocide is taking place.

As a matter of fact, I believe you and I had a back and forth discussion on it. I don’t feel the need to rehash it all over again. I’m not going to change your opinion, and you’re not going to change mine.


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The fact that you’re a genocide denier was not something that needed to be rehashed, it’s already been established, though if you find yourself in the same category as holocaust deniers then maybe “you’re not going to change me” is a stupid position to hold.

What I was actually talking about was issues like specific US/Israel funded “humanitarian” groups hiring anti-Palestinian gangs that keep shooting people trying to get aid, or Israel killing more journalists and doctors, or more children. You know, things normal human beings actually take issue with, not “I heard some people joined that group with fake usernames!”

I just find it pretty reprehensible to come in here and whine about peaceful protest because it supports the people you hate while totally ignoring story after story of those people being targeted and killed by the people you support.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I’ll just go ahead and keep posting this, maybe you’ll actually read it one of these times and reply.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/o...estinians.html

I know me and Pepsi won’t change your mind. But I’m curious how someone who is literally a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies at an Ivy League university, and who just happens to be Israeli and a former IDF member, doesn’t change your mind and what your response to this article is.

It's not that he doesn't believe there's a genocide happening it's that he chooses to deny it.

Sorta a sick coping defence system because to acknowledge it is to acknowledge that he is a supporter of genocide.

Lots of examples of these sick denials.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I am glad there is no starvation.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Language

The pro-Palestine protesters sure seem to know who to target.

I’m sure you’ll similarly find Jews protesting outside Ahmad’s falafel shop for the hostages to be released.


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Nah, the Jews would just blow it up and make Ahmad live in the gutter.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Bagor

It's not that he doesn't believe there's a genocide happening it's that he chooses to deny it.

Sorta a sick coping defence system because to acknowledge it is to acknowledge that he is a supporter of genocide.

Lots of examples of these sick denials.

Unfortunately, I'm aware. I used to feel very strongly that people are entitled to their own opinions, and everyone cares and their hearts are in the right place, they just need to be shown the data and reasoned with.

I no longer feel this way. There are lots of people in the world that care more about their egos and whatever stupid brainwashing has become part of their identity, that any amount of concrete information to the contrary doesn't matter. That's when I started believing in naming and shaming more, so that people are told exactly how terrible they are.

To put it extremely bluntly - Language: you, and people like you, are complicit in genocide. You are directly responsible for what is currently happening. Full stop. Without your denial and unwavering willingness to justify the actions of Israel and the IDF, they would not have the support of governments like Canada and the US. Because of your complete unwillingness to look at the data and opinions of experts and countless first-hand accounts explaining to you what is happening, Israel gets carte blanche to destroy the Palestinian people. As PepsiFree said, completely reprehensible.

[Language]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I’ll just go ahead and keep posting this, maybe you’ll actually read it one of these times and reply.



https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/o...estinians.html



I know me and Pepsi won’t change your mind. But I’m curious how someone who is literally a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies at an Ivy League university, and who just happens to be Israeli and a former IDF member, doesn’t change your mind and what your response to this article is.

I’ve read this article you posted before.

Just because he’s a Professor of Holocaust and Genocide studies and a former IDF officer - that doesn’t mean I have to agree with his viewpoint or take his opinion as fact. I can equally point to Mosab Hassan Yousef, who has renounced the pro-Palestine movement, and is literally the son of the co-founder of Hamas, and question how it’s possible that you don’t agree with him. After all, who can better speak on the situation than someone who was born into the movement?

Similarly, there were many scholarly professors and esteemed MD’s who passionately spoke out against the COVID vaccines and said they were a hoax. Should we all just be listening to them too?

My point is, you keep referencing this one article and making it seem like this person’s opinion is godly. That can be said for many with differing opinions.

I don’t intend to rehash this entire genocide argument again, but for the last time, I will state my opinion. To me, at least, a genocide suggests a deliberate and systematic effort to destroy a race or group of people. The Holocaust, the Rwandan Genocide, Darfur, Cambodian Genocide - these were all systematic efforts to eliminate without prejudice; the intent was absolutely clear. In the case of the war in Gaza, there was no genocide taking place before Oct 7th. If Hamas agreed to lay down their weapons and release the hostages (full stop), the war would have ended by now. In my opinion, that clearly shows there is no attempt at genocide, because those that are committing genocide and have that intent, wouldn’t just choose to stop at a moment’s notice, if they had genocidal intent.

I believe there are major issues with how Israel is conducting this war, and the strategies they are employing. I have no issue debating that and agreeing that many of their tactics are extreme. But I completely disagree with labeling it a genocide and believe it is cheapening the seriousness of that allegation and meaning.

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Unfortunately, I'm aware. I used to feel very strongly that people are entitled to their own opinions, and everyone cares and their hearts are in the right place, they just need to be shown the data and reasoned with.

I no longer feel this way. There are lots of people in the world that care more about their egos and whatever stupid brainwashing has become part of their identity, that any amount of concrete information to the contrary doesn't matter. That's when I started believing in naming and shaming more, so that people are told exactly how terrible they are.

To put it extremely bluntly - Language: you, and people like you, are complicit in genocide. You are directly responsible for what is currently happening. Full stop. Without your denial and unwavering willingness to justify the actions of Israel and the IDF, they would not have the support of governments like Canada and the US. Because of your complete unwillingness to look at the data and opinions of experts and countless first-hand accounts explaining to you what is happening, Israel gets carte blanche to destroy the Palestinian people. As PepsiFree said, completely reprehensible.

This is hilarious. So now me, a random Jewish dude living in Toronto, is responsible for what’s happening in Gaza? Just because I don’t agree with your opinion? What a ridiculous post.

Have you been vocal and protesting about the Uyghurs treatment in China, which is also labeled as a genocide? What pressure have you put on the Canadian government to boycott China products? Are you personally buying China made products and contributing to their economy, which is enabling that genocide? You are directly responsible for what is currently happening. Full stop.


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