🚨 The Zayne Parekh show has arrived 🚨

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I think we're reaching here. You could point out 5 players over the past 5 years from any organization easily with similar situations that you deem "worrisome".

Crazy concept that missing month(s) makes it difficult to step back in at full speed right away. Who woulda thought!

I dont think the Monahan situation is easily replicated elsewhere, the others maybe but I am not sure I buy it.

I've had this stuck in my craw since Monahan, but it is pretty clear that Montreal handled it differently and it worked well for them as a franchise.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I dont think the Monahan situation is easily replicated elsewhere, the others maybe but I am not sure I buy it.

I've had this stuck in my craw since Monahan, but it is pretty clear that Montreal handled it differently and it worked well for them as a franchise.

How did they handle it differently?
He started the year playing for them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

When can we start worrying about the flames' medical team and advice to players on injury?

off top of head in the last 5 years:
- Monahan recurring injury never properly addressed
- Pospisil recurring injuries
- Zary came back too soon last year and looked rough
- Rasmus playing through substantial injuries and looked terrible
- Sharangovich weird injury and rehab/ not coming back right

Yeah, players deserve some blame (some more than others, lol pospisil) but also, it seems to me like the flames more consistently deal with longer term nagging injuries to players.

When?

I'd start when I had actual proof there was something happening in Calgary that is different than any other NHL city.

Just amazed how some just look for problems to be worried about in the absence of actual things to keep you up at night.

This is in the Parekh string, he's played one game for the Flames in his lifetime. You sure this is a Flames issue? Is there an issue at all?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How did they handle it differently?
He started the year playing for them.

Not only that, but he played two months, was injured in December, and they tried to bring him back in December/January. He was eventually put on LTIR at the end of January. He didn’t have surgery until April.

I don’t see how that’s any different than Calgary.

Even Columbus brought him back less than two months after yet another wrist surgery.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just amazed how some just look for problems to be worried about in the absence of actual things to keep you up at night.

It must be an incredibly exhausting way to approach… anything really.

Parekh, so far, has been dealing with an undisclosed injury for 5 maybe 6 weeks, and it has kept him out of two largely optional rookie camps. That doesn’t seem problematic at all, and the fact that they’re keeping him out of these things seems to be the exact opposite of some suggesting of malpractice.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Bingo

When?

I'd start when I had actual proof there was something happening in Calgary that is different than any other NHL city.

Just amazed how some just look for problems to be worried about in the absence of actual things to keep you up at night.

This is in the Parekh string, he's played one game for the Flames in his lifetime. You sure this is a Flames issue? Is there an issue at all?

I often lament that Flames seem to be particularly good at staying healthy. It's why it's so hard to being up prospects because nobody ever seems to miss time, and even more rarely you have multiple injured players requiring multiple call ups.

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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

I often lament that Flames seem to be particularly good at staying healthy. It's why it's so hard to being up prospects because nobody ever seems to miss time, and even more rarely you have multiple injured players requiring multiple call ups.

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Injury at D, wing, center? Flames recall Dryden Hunt.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

When can we start worrying about the flames' medical team and advice to players on injury?

off top of head in the last 5 years:
- Monahan recurring injury never properly addressed
- Pospisil recurring injuries
- Zary came back too soon last year and looked rough
- Rasmus playing through substantial injuries and looked terrible
- Sharangovich weird injury and rehab/ not coming back right

Yeah, players deserve some blame (some more than others, lol pospisil) but also, it seems to me like the flames more consistently deal with longer term nagging injuries to players.

According to NHL Injury VIS, over the last 5 years, the Flames' man games lost to injury have been:

20/21: lowest
21/22: lowest
22/23: 5th lowest
23/24: 8th lowest
24/25: 5th lowest

Without bothering to aggregate, it is pretty obvious that the Flames have had among the lowest amounts of injuries over the last 5 years - almost certainly, THE lowest.

Definitely time to worry!

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

According to NHL Injury VIS, over the last 5 years, the Flames' man games lost to injury have been:

20/21: lowest
21/22: lowest
22/23: 5th lowest
23/24: 8th lowest
24/25: 5th lowest

Without bothering to aggregate, it is pretty obvious that the Flames have had among the lowest amounts of injuries over the last 5 years - almost certainly, THE lowest.

Definitely time to worry!

I mean, not for nothing, but the point is/was that they're allowing players to play injured, so you'd uh, kind of expect them to be on that side of the man games lost graph

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

I mean, not for nothing, but the point is/was that they're allowing players to play injured, so you'd uh, kind of expect them to be on that side of the man games lost graph

If that’s the point then using a player who they very much are not allowing to play or even practice injured as the jumping off point/next in the evidence set seems even more absurd.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

I mean, not for nothing, but the point is/was that they're allowing players to play injured, so you'd uh, kind of expect them to be on that side of the man games lost graph

First, they have offered no evidence of any kind to support their assertion that the Flames are letting guys play hurt.

Second, if they were in fact doing so, would it not start to result in players getting MORE injured (I mean, that is literally the point), and thus the man games lost to injury should rise?

I was a stupid assertion, and will remain so unless he can offer something to actually support it.

Also, he didn't say 'they let guys play injured', he said "it seems to me like the flames more consistently deal with longer term nagging injuries".

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

When can we start worrying about the flames' medical team and advice to players on injury?

off top of head in the last 5 years:
- Monahan recurring injury never properly addressed
- Pospisil recurring injuries
- Zary came back too soon last year and looked rough
- Rasmus playing through substantial injuries and looked terrible
- Sharangovich weird injury and rehab/ not coming back right

Yeah, players deserve some blame (some more than others, lol pospisil) but also, it seems to me like the flames more consistently deal with longer term nagging injuries to players.

I think you accidentally said "Flames' medical team and advice to players on injury" when you meant to say "Sports Culture and players not listening to medical advice".

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It must be an incredibly exhausting way to approach… anything really.

Parekh, so far, has been dealing with an undisclosed injury for 5 maybe 6 weeks, and it has kept him out of two largely optional rookie camps. That doesn’t seem problematic at all, and the fact that they’re keeping him out of these things seems to be the exact opposite of some suggesting of malpractice.

Don’t forget Basha’s ankle injury and Carolina surgery that had zero to do with the flames but probably is the flames fault.

I love coming up with scenarios I made up in my head and then getting pissed off at them.

[Groot]

"Approval" mentioned regarding the Wolf contract = jump to meddling owners and terrible franchise

4-5 week lingering injury for Parekh = jump to terrible franchise mismanaging injuries and forcing players to play hurt

What crazy leap of logic will we see next, stay tuned!

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Injury at D, wing, center? Flames recall Dryden Hunt.

That is the more contentious point for me. With man games lost being so low, they usually recall Hunt and call it a day.

There's never much thought to call up a different player, and there never seems to be a run of injuries that would require multiple players called up so you can get a look at them.

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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Don’t forget Basha’s ankle injury and Carolina surgery that had zero to do with the flames but probably is the flames fault.

I love coming up with scenarios I made up in my head and then getting pissed off at them.

You know what they say: there’s just not enough real things to be pissed off about in life, might as well make up your own.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

That is the more contentious point for me. With man games lost being so low, they usually recall Hunt and call it a day.

There's never much thought to call up a different player, and there never seems to be a run of injuries that would require multiple players called up so you can get a look at them.

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Players who played as many NHL games as Hunt (or more) last season, all of whom were called up before him:

Honzek
Kerins
Solovyov
Bishop
Duehr
Klapka

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Groot

"Approval" mentioned regarding the Wolf contract = jump to meddling owners and terrible franchise

4-5 week lingering injury for Parekh = jump to terrible franchise mismanaging injuries and forcing players to play hurt

What crazy leap of logic will we see next, stay tuned!

Tree, you need to learn how to read man.

Enoch, your data is fine, but as Scornfire already pointed out it can't really assess what I am talking about.

I didn't even say there was a specific person at fault. It could be an organizational culture thing, it could be doctors that are at fault, it could be that they listen too much to players, whatever.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Tree, you need to learn how to read man.

Enoch, your data is fine, but as Scornfire already pointed out it can't really assess what I am talking about.

I didn't even say there was a specific person at fault. It could be an organizational culture thing, it could be doctors that are at fault, it could be that they listen too much to players, whatever.

There are far more teams that have injury problems. It happens everywhere, and I bet there is going to be more of a need for a 13th/14th forward and 7th d man that can step in at any time when we increase the schedule by 2 games. I know it's only 2 more games to make it 84 reg season games, but that is going to give better odds of injury.

Just ask Vancouver on how their injuries go. Idk who their medical trainer is but they always seem to get injured. Tanner Pearson from the past IIRC had a thing or two to say on the matter. Also Thatcher Demko's injuries are major sus based on how they dealt with them during the 2024 playoffs.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Tree, you need to learn how to read man.

Enoch, your data is fine, but as Scornfire already pointed out it can't really assess what I am talking about.

I didn't even say there was a specific person at fault. It could be an organizational culture thing, it could be doctors that are at fault, it could be that they listen too much to players, whatever.

What are you talking about?

This is a Zayne Parekh topic and you brought up the organization and their handling of injured players when he's played one NHL game and been under the supervision of either a junior team or Hockey Canada for the last year and change.

Add to that ... Parekh has been pulled from a Hockey Canada camp and now rookie camp as a precaution which is directly opposed to your original point.

Now you're still talking culture and doctors at fault when Enoch showed you they have had less injuries not more, and it's been pointed out Scornfire was off in that you can't make people play hurt forever without having a really really hurt player that would be reflected in the numbers.

So again ... what are you talking about?