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AC · 07-21-2007, 02:31 PM

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That's true I guess, with magic there's nothing that doesn't "make sense".

A wizard did it, and magic works in mysterious ways...

TheDragon · 07-23-2007, 10:27 AM

Just finished it last night. Loved it.

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I knew the whole Snape killing Dumbledore was a set up! I just couldn't accept that Snape wanted to help Voldemort, not after Snape continually did his best to save Harry's ass. It was kind of neat that Rowling did it in such a way as to make Harry understand that he was the unsung hero of the whole thing. Loved it.

It was pretty awesome that Harry finished off Voldemort, too... or I guess you could say, Voldemort finished off himself when his spell got deflected back at him. Pretty climatic battle between the two, and I was effing glad to see that Hagrid didn't die. Kind of sucked that Fred, Tonks and Lupin did, though.. and Dobby, and Mad-Eye for that matter.

Ahh well. Definitely bummed out that this is the last of the series. I think I read my first Harry Potter book (which was actually Prisoner of Azkaban) when I was about 12 or 13, and pretty much grew up reading adoringly for the last 8 or 9 years. J.K Rowling did say in an interview that she hasn't closed the door to possibly writing more in the future, mind you, but I'm sure she's going to want to sit back and chill for a couple years or so, anyway. One can hope, at least, that there will be more. Still, I'm kind of bummed out, myself.

MissTeeks · 07-23-2007, 10:52 AM

I am also a little bummed out that it is all over. I didn't think I would be this bad when I had finished it. Maybe because I read it so fast. I'm not ashamed to admit that it made me cry several times reading it. My eyes are still sore! I though she did a good job of finishing the series, but I was a little disappointed in the epilogue. I though she would have told us more about what happened to other characters, like Luna and Kingsley and the rest of the Wesleys.

Patrick · 07-23-2007, 11:06 AM

The book was alright. IMO, it seemed rushed to wrap up the story. They travelled and did so many little side quests in this one when compared to the other books.

I found the ending to be a bit lacking as well. Was expecting more of a final battle between V and H. 7 books later and the final confrontation lasts a split second.

I_H8_Crawford · 07-23-2007, 11:07 AM

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I am also a little bummed out that it is all over. I didn't think I would be this bad when I had finished it. Maybe because I read it so fast. I'm not ashamed to admit that it made me cry several times reading it. My eyes are still sore! I though she did a good job of finishing the series, but I was a little disappointed in the epilogue. I though she would have told us more about what happened to other characters, like Luna and Kingsley and the rest of the Wesleys.

Hightlight post to read it all... dont want to spoil it for anyone else, although they are in a spoiler thread...

Before the Epilogue she mentioned what happened to Kingsley I just assume he is still Minister of Magic... I would have liked to see Luna finally get a b/f... and Neville deserved a g/f finally as well... hehe I wanted the two of them to hook up actually. I was also disappointed that she didn't mention who the new headmaster of Hogwarts was... McGonagal? Someone else? What are Harry and Ginny doing as grown-ups? How about Ron and Hermione? Are Aurors still a necessity with Voldemort and his Death Eaters finished? Is Harry an Auror? Head Auror?

I hated how the Percy Weasley make-up was handled... would have made more sense for him to come to his senses after Fred is killed, but oh well.

The ending did seem very, very short, but I guess that's better than say, LOTR RotK movie ending that went on, and on...and on......and on......and on..... ok I'm done... NOT! And on....

I also wanted to know what happened to Umbridge... after all the crap she put them through, I felt it would have been fitting to find out what kind of end she would come to... I was hoping for a nice painful exit, i.e. Crucio like the Longbottoms had...

JBR · 07-23-2007, 11:42 AM

The early copy that I read last week was definately a phony. Here are the late "spoilers" from mine:

1) Hagrid is investigated by the FBI for running a dog-fighting operation.
2) Ron Weasly drops out of school to become the bass player for his family's travelling band
3) Harry's run as vice-presidential running mate to Hillary Clinton hits a snag after an ugly drug bust.
4) Snape is elected Hogworts (sp?) new leader after he exposes Professor Dumbledorf as a different actor than the guy in the first movie!

I should have waited to buy it from Chapters rather than from on the street from a guy in Mexico..

ernie · 07-24-2007, 01:58 PM

Essentially what I thought would happen.

A good chunk of the old guard so to speak would die with a couple of the new guard.

Figured Snape would have to pay the ultimate price for his past trangressions at some point and he did. Also figured he'd be one of the heroes at the end.

Thought all of the big 3 would live and they did. Also figured they'd give Harry a family at the end and that Ginny would be his wife. They weren't going to kill his first true love off. Ron and Hermoine of course should have been predicted from the beginning of the series by everyone.

Luna found a boyfried (Dean) which I was expecting.

Neville didn't but you knew he was going to become a true Gryfinndor hero and after Ron and Hermoine had each detroyed a Horcrux I figured it would be Neville's turn as he was the next biggest supporter of the DA. There was a reason he was sorted to that house and not Hufflepuff. Though I thought he'd take out Bellatrix. now that he's a hero I'm sure he'll have no shortage of admirers.

Hagrid not snuffing it surprised me. As did Tonks dying...I thought she'd be part of the new guard. But once Harry was made godfather I though she was done for. I figured Lupin and Pettigrew would die and that Pettigrew showing remorse would be the casue of his death.

Obviously didn't have all the details or anything but i got the broad strokes.

Honestly, one of the best series I've read. It was clear as you read this last book that the entire series was meticulously planned before any writing began. It didn't spiral out of control with different story lines that the author had trouble wrapping up (I'm looking at you Robert Jordan...please get well and finish the series!).

and one last bit....how the heck do they make a movie from this book. There isn't much filler in it. Not much that can be tossed as superfluous to the overall story. And when they do make the movie I honestly wonder how they keep it from being R-rated. Some pretty gruesome deaths and disturbing content. Way more than thatn any other book.

JohnnyB · 07-24-2007, 03:29 PM

Thought it was a great book.
I was very satisfied with the ending for Snape in particular, as well as the others. In contrast to others, I thought the abruptness of the ending was not a bad thing. I felt the book was about the choices made under duress and the proving of character, which was accomplished. Ending things quickly skipped over the idolization of Harry and got to where he was just a normal guy again, living the simple life he had always wanted.

Antithesis · 07-24-2007, 03:31 PM

I agree with your sentiments on the "how are they gonna make this a movie" front. There is very little that can be cut from this book. I don't see how you could break it into two movies (as was originally planned with Goblet of Fire) either ... I would assume we are looking at a 3-hour movie with this one.

MissTeeks · 07-24-2007, 03:37 PM

I also wonder how they will make it into a movie. I have troubles with how they are going to make "Half Blood Prince" into a movie as well. I think it will be hard to get all the flashback scenes to be great, and you really can't cut out any of them because they are too important to the story. But I don't have problems with watching 3 hour movies so hopefully they go that route.

AC · 07-24-2007, 09:06 PM

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I agree with your sentiments on the "how are they gonna make this a movie" front. There is very little that can be cut from this book. I don't see how you could break it into two movies (as was originally planned with Goblet of Fire) either ... I would assume we are looking at a 3-hour movie with this one.

I don't know, it seemed like 2/3rds of the book was just camping. I think certain parts could be removed quite easily.

The locket wasn't mentioned in Order of the Phoenix at all, so they may just skip the ministry invasion all together when they make the 7th movie.

AC · 07-24-2007, 09:08 PM

I didn't get Snape's dying words ("Look...at...me") at first, but after Harry views his memories, it seems pretty obvious that Snape just wanted to look into 'Lily's' eyes once more.

There was a LOT of emphasis on the fact that Harry had his mother's eyes.

Lucky boy · 07-24-2007, 09:13 PM

I thought the book was awesome till he came back to life ... that didn't sit too well with me for some reason.

ernie · 07-25-2007, 05:42 AM

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I thought the book was awesome till he came back to life ... that didn't sit too well with me for some reason.

Didn't seem like he died to me. More of a saw the white light thing if anything. Harry actually asks Dumbledore if it's real or in his head and Dumbledore says something like "of course it's in your head but that doesn't make it any less real".

bigtmac19 · 07-25-2007, 06:55 AM

Finished it las night at 1:30. Could not put it down. LOVED IT.
Thought she wrapped it up really really well, I was really satisified.
I heard something that the last movie won't be out until 2010. That's is going to be hard to wait for.
I am going to miss the build up to waiting for a new book, that was half the fun.

Lucky boy · 07-25-2007, 07:05 AM

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Didn't seem like he died to me. More of a saw the white light thing if anything. Harry actually asks Dumbledore if it's real or in his head and Dumbledore says something like "of course it's in your head but that doesn't make it any less real".

Yea, I know what you mean, but from that point on, the book seemed to go completely downhill, atleast for me it did. Still a good book overall, I just felt the end was rushed.

ernie · 07-25-2007, 08:57 AM

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Yea, I know what you mean, but from that point on, the book seemed to go completely downhill, atleast for me it did. Still a good book overall, I just felt the end was rushed.

I didn't think it was rushed. All the pieces fit together and really it followed the same path as all the other books. Most of the fun and excitement is getting to the final showdown, the final showdown is fairly short and there is only a few pages afterwards to wrap up the book. The final showdown in this case is simply Harry summing up everything for the readers and letting Voldy know why he isn't the master of death like he thinks he is and why he isn't the greatest wizard to ever live (because he ignores the power of the mundane and the power of magic outside the Dark Arts).

All the weaknesses Voldemort that have been exposed through the series simply all came to a head when he thought he had reached the pinnacle. He assumed Narcissa was under his control and terrified to lie to him (i.e. he assumed his greatness and intimidation was greater than here love for her son). He assumed the Elder Wand would destroy Harry so he didn't even bother reading Narcissa's mind to make sure she wasn't lying. He assumed with HP "dead" that everyone would fold up like a cheap tent so he removed the protections around Nagini. He assumed love was a passing fancy with Snape (i.e. simply infatuation). He assumed he had the greatest knowledge of any wizard in the world with Dumbledore gone even though he knew very very little in the grand scheme of things. In short he was arrogant and assumed too much...as he did throughout the series. As you went along through the series and definitely through this last book it was shaping up to be a one spell each showdown...a killing curse uttered and blocked. I certainly wasn't disappointed.

To be honest I think the book may have been improved by lopping off the epilogue. Sure it's nice to find out that Harry and Ginny got together, Ron and Hermoine stayed together and that there was some mutual respect with malfoy but it didn't really need that ending. All of that was pretty obvious without the epilogue.

Lucky boy · 07-26-2007, 07:07 AM

Personally, had the book ended right when he was walking towards his death, I would have been more than satisfied. I would have felt that this really was an awesome story. To bring him back or have him survive and then basically talk the baddest wizard of all time into submission didn't sit too well with me. Like I said, it was really good till that point. Seemed rushed after that ...

Patrick · 07-26-2007, 08:47 AM

K so question for everyone who has read the book. Now the Elder wand's power can only be transferred it a person wins it, by a duel or killing the person who previously masters it. Now my question is the following.

The guy that Dumbeldore duled and beat..Griswaldore or wahtever his name was had the wand. Now, it says he STOLE it from the foreign wand maker. So he did nto earn it bu duel or killing the wand maker since he was alive after the situation. So in that case the wand's power should have never been given to him, and it should not have been given to Dumbeldore nor Malfoy and than harry in the end.

So isn't there a hole in the ideas about hwo Harry kills V?

ernie · 07-26-2007, 09:11 AM

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K so question for everyone who has read the book. Now the Elder wand's power can only be transferred it a person wins it, by a duel or killing the person who previously masters it. Now my question is the following.

The guy that Dumbeldore duled and beat..Griswaldore or wahtever his name was had the wand. Now, it says he STOLE it from the foreign wand maker. So he did nto earn it bu duel or killing the wand maker since he was alive after the situation. So in that case the wand's power should have never been given to him, and it should not have been given to Dumbeldore nor Malfoy and than harry in the end.

So isn't there a hole in the ideas about hwo Harry kills V?

Wouldn't it just be considered disarming the wandmaker? Nothing was said about needing to disarm the "owner" of the elder wand magically or while he held the wand. Essentially I believe it needs to be taken from the current person who possesses it against their will which stealing certainly does. Grinnewald out smarted the wandmaker making him master of the wand....if the wand so chose which apparently it did.