Why won't the Libs help make our streets safer?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Why is it that every bill that enters the Liberal dominated senate; it gets tied up with political BS for no reason.

There are several bills currently pending senate approval that would help crack down on violence offenders and pedophiles.

Bill C-10 which would see mandatory prison terms for crimes commited with the use of a firearm and Bill C-35 which would put the reverse onus on criminals that use guns to obtain bail. Why is this not passed yet in the senate??? They want to ban all hand guns yet they wont pass legislation that would hold criminals more accountable.

Come on CANADA

[Devils'Advocate]

When was Bill C-10 transferred to the Senate?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

When was Bill C-10 transferred to the Senate?

2 months ago...

[fredr123]

Bill C-10:
Summary
Bill Status
Debate(s) at 2nd Reading June 14, 2007


Bill C-35:
Summary
Bill Status
1st Reading June 5, 2007

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

2 months ago...

Bill C-10 was introduced in the Senate on 30 May 2007.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/bills_l...&Parl=39&Ses=1

[CrusaderPi]

The Liberal domination of the Senate has next to nothing to do with how useless it is as an upper house.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

The Liberal domination of the Senate has next to nothing to do with how useless it is as an upper house.

That doesn't remove the fact that the majority of senators are Liberals and they are the ones holding these bills back.

Just like the budget....Dion actually had to asked the senate to just pass it because they were stalling it for so long.

[icarus]

Maybe they are doing their jobs and evaluating the bills critically instead of rushing to erode civil liberties unnecessarily?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by icarus

Maybe they are doing their jobs and evaluating the bills critically instead of rushing to erode civil liberties unnecessarily?

Why defend this? This is legislation that would keep bad..bad..people out of society, it has been passed by the House of Commons, the supreme governing body of this country.

[Slava]

Who says that longer terms make the streets safer in the first place? There have been numerous indications that longer/harsher prison terms do little to stop criminal activity. Not surprisngly they just put more people in jail.

But more to your point, if a bill was introduced on May 30 and is through first reading a week later that seems like its moving along quite quickly?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Slava

Who says that longer terms make the streets safer in the first place? There have been numerous indications that longer/harsher prison terms do little to stop criminal activity. Not surprisngly they just put more people in jail.

But more to your point, if a bill was introduced on May 30 and is through first reading a week later that seems like its moving along quite quickly?

Thats right....lets try to rehabilitate the young man who shot and killed an 11 year old...because that has worked so well.

As for your second comment, if the senate wants to pass legislation, they could go through all three reading in a week if they wanted to. Not to mention, had the liberals and NDP not had completely gutted the initial legislation, this would have been before the senate much earlier.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Thats right....lets try to rehabilitate the young man who shot and killed an 11 year old...because that has worked so well.

As for your second comment, if the senate wants to pass legislation, they could go through all three reading in a week if they wanted to. Not to mention, had the liberals and NDP not had completely gutted the initial legislation, this would have been before the senate much earlier.

I guess I can just see other ways to deal with things, rather than base the system on the lowest denominator.

I didn't say that we should rehabilitate anyone, or let anyone back on the streets early. I'm just saying that we can see what doesn't work to the south of us, and yet we still should emulate that?

[Bobblehead]

The Senate has been on summer break since June 22.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm just saying that we can see what doesn't work to the south of us, and yet we still should emulate that?

And yet we should continue to do what we're doing... because that's been working, right?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by calculoso

And yet we should continue to do what we're doing... because that's been working, right?

No, I agree that some changes should be made and that things could be improved. Those changes don't have to be strict sentences and capital punishment though.

I know that you read this and think that I'm a hard left bleeding heart liberal, but that is not accurate. I just get tired of having the worst case scenario thrown out as a justification of why we should have capital punishment or "three strikes and you're out" type legislation.

Maybe the question on this thread should also wonder why the Conservatives won't ban handguns to make our streets safer?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

No, I agree that some changes should be made and that things could be improved. Those changes don't have to be strict sentences and capital punishment though.

I know that you read this and think that I'm a hard left bleeding heart liberal, but that is not accurate. I just get tired of having the worst case scenario thrown out as a justification of why we should have capital punishment or "three strikes and you're out" type legislation.

Maybe the question on this thread should also wonder why the Conservatives won't ban handguns to make our streets safer?

I don't think banning handguns is the answer to be honest, right at the moment they have to be licensed and registered, doing a ban on handguns is fairly useless as the majority of crimes are performed with unlicenced illegal handguns so a ban would be cosmetic at best.

I mean we all talk about the ban on handguns in the UK, but statistically there were 9900 crimes involving firearms in the UK in 2003, which was up 35% from the year before. In 2005 there were over 10,000 gun related crimes in the UK.

http://alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/000904.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm

If your going to promote a ban, then you certainly have to stiffen the consequences of using a firearm, which should be the same punishment as using an unlicenced or unregistered weapon.


I'm all for the proposed changes to the justice system with the one change being if you commit a crime with an unregistered gun, you never ever get out of prison.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by fotze

The liberals love criminals. In fact they are all child molestors.

I am tempted to make this my new sig.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

This is legislation that would keep bad..bad..people out of society

Because bad people don't have rights...right?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by evman150

Because bad people don't have rights...right?

Why are their rights more important then everybody elses.

[Slava]

[quote=CaptainCrunch;950434]I don't think banning handguns is the answer to be honest, right at the moment they have to be licensed and registered, doing a ban on handguns is fairly useless as the majority of crimes are performed with unlicenced illegal handguns so a ban would be cosmetic at best.

I mean we all talk about the ban on handguns in the UK, but statistically there were 9900 crimes involving firearms in the UK in 2003, which was up 35% from the year before. In 2005 there were over 10,000 gun related crimes in the UK.

http://alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/000904.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm
[quote].

I'm really on the fence on this (surprising, I know!). Longer prison sentences have never reduced crime but they are constantly bandied about as a solution. Truth be told the best thing to reduce crime is a strong economy and good living conditions for those worst off in our society.

There will always be an element of society that will commit murder, rape and other horrific crimes. Some of these are crimes of passion and some are just people who are sick in the head or have other short-comings. No matter what the justice system does with these people though, they will still commit the crime in the first place.

If your going to promote a ban, then you certainly have to stiffen the consequences of using a firearm, which should be the same punishment as using an unlicenced or unregistered weapon.


I'm all for the proposed changes to the justice system with the one change being if you commit a crime with an unregistered gun, you never ever get out of prison.