[Trade] Habs trade Price and a 5th to Sharks for Gannon Laroque

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I know Mtl was cap compliant and times have changed but it really irritates me how badly Treliving and predecessors did in deals to move out cap looking back at Monahan and Regehr deals, moving out good players for pennies on the dollar or even with assets to get rid of contracts and now seeing teams move 10 mil for a 5th

Times have changed, you said it yourself. Cap is rising and cap space is not worth what it used to be. Treliving traded Monahan at a time when cap space was the most valuable, making basically an all-in move for a roster that was clearly not ready to go all-in, in hindsight. It was a huge mistake, but we're years past it now and in a completely different phase of team building, so probably time to let it go.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Times have changed, you said it yourself. Cap is rising and cap space is not worth what it used to be. Treliving traded Monahan at a time when cap space was the most valuable, making basically an all-in move for a roster that was clearly not ready to go all-in, in hindsight. It was a huge mistake, but we're years past it now and in a completely different phase of team building, so probably time to let it go.

Sir...that is not how Grudges work!

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This seems like a crap deal for the Sharks, no?

I think so. why make the deal. You get a 5th for what? With Coulture you are above the cap floor. Now you are sitting at 9M cap space. If a bunch of their young kids hit on their bonuses, that could add another 7M.

Just paints them into a bit of a corner if they take on any other contract. Seems odd to me.

[SuperMatt18]

Askarov is going to be pissed, he was stuck behind Saros in Nashville and now will be stuck behind Price in San Jose

Really the only team that made sense to acquire this contract as they were the only team below the cap floor

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think so. why make the deal. You get a 5th for what? With Coulture you are above the cap floor. Now you are sitting at 9M cap space. If a bunch of their young kids hit on their bonuses, that could add another 7M.

Just paints them into a bit of a corner if they take on any other contract. Seems odd to me.

… but without Couture?

SJS have got other things cooking. Must be that. Price helps them reach the floor after they move a vet or two for futures.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

… but without Couture?

SJS have got other things cooking. Must be that. Price helps them reach the floor after they move a vet or two for futures.

I could be wrong, but putting a player on LTIR only helps if you are over the cap, it does nothing if you are under. As far as I know is 8M would have counted to get them above the floor. I know some of the cap sites showed them under, but they never counted him. What is the difference between LTIR Price and LTIR Coulture, I don't think there is any.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I could be wrong, but putting a player on LTIR only helps if you are over the cap, it does nothing if you are under.

Correct. Putting a player on LTIR allows you to go over the cap for that amount, which is why you saw some cap teams trade for those contracts as it allowed them to add another player at a similar value.


The downside is when you are in LTIR, you don't accrue daily cap space and have less to play with at the deadline.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Ped

Correct. Putting a player on LTIR allows you to go over the cap for that amount, which is why you saw some cap teams trade for those contracts as it allowed them to add another player at a similar value.


The downside is when you are in LTIR, you don't accrue daily cap space and have less to play with at the deadline.

Not anymore

[1qqaaz]

With Price traded, I believe Backlund is now the longest tenured played on any Canadian team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ped

Correct. Putting a player on LTIR allows you to go over the cap for that amount, which is why you saw some cap teams trade for those contracts as it allowed them to add another player at a similar value.

This was never true. If a cap team trades for a player on LTIR, then the player on LTIR himself is using up the extra cap space they are allowed to spend.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

This was never true. If a cap team trades for a player on LTIR, then the player on LTIR himself is using up the extra cap space they are allowed to spend.

Ok. Then why did Vegas trade for Shea Weber's contract?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This seems like a crap deal for the Sharks, no?

They hit the cap floor for very little. That's a win. Guys like Privce where you get $10.5 of cap for $2M actually have value.

[Sandman]

Geez, I think they should’ve done better than a 5th….

[Usernamefatigue]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Future HHOF Sharks alumni, Carey Price.

Forver a Shark

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I could be wrong, but putting a player on LTIR only helps if you are over the cap, it does nothing if you are under. As far as I know is 8M would have counted to get them above the floor. I know some of the cap sites showed them under, but they never counted him. What is the difference between LTIR Price and LTIR Coulture, I don't think there is any.

I wonder if there is an insurance reason that Couture needs to be on LTIR so they need to keep him there but can then have Price not on LTIR to get them to the cap floor

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder if there is an insurance reason that Couture needs to be on LTIR so they need to keep him there but can then have Price not on LTIR to get them to the cap floor

That is the thing I don't get, when we went through the whole Klyington thing, Treliving said there is no point to put him on LTIR as the flames at the time didn't need to leverage the cap space with LTIR. Which is why I never understood Coulture being on LTIR and not counting. Like you mentioned, there might be some obscure thing or just maybe the cap sites are incorrectly deducting his 8M.

[Locke]

Miraculous injury recover impending?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder if there is an insurance reason that Couture needs to be on LTIR so they need to keep him there but can then have Price not on LTIR to get them to the cap floor

Originally Posted by Robbob

That is the thing I don't get, when we went through the whole Klyington thing, Treliving said there is no point to put him on LTIR as the flames at the time didn't need to leverage the cap space with LTIR. Which is why I never understood Coulture being on LTIR and not counting. Like you mentioned, there might be some obscure thing or just maybe the cap sites are incorrectly deducting his 8M.

That's not quite how LTIR works. The cap hits on LTIR still count towards the cap. LTIR allows a team to exceed the cap by up to that amount. However placing a player on LTIR sets your LTIR pool, and once you exceed the cap by using said pool then cap space can no longer be accured.

That's why Kylington wasn't placed on LTIR, and why I doubt either Couture or Price go on LTIR in the offseason, especially while the Sharks are well below the salary cap.

[Andrew]

Contract might insured? Actually money doesnt matter. Space is essentially worth that. If lots of teams have excess?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That's not quite how LTIR works. The cap hits on LTIR still count towards the cap. LTIR allows a team to exceed the cap by up to that amount. However placing a player on LTIR sets your LTIR pool, and once you exceed the cap by using said pool then cap space can no longer be accured.

That's why Kylington wasn't placed on LTIR, and why I doubt either Couture or Price go on LTIR in the offseason, especially while the Sharks are well below the salary cap.

That is exactly what I thought, which why I thought it was weird that the cap sites were showing SJ below the floor and not adding Coulture. Which brings us back to why trade for Price for just a 5th. Really let the habs off easy.