Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by direwolf

CBC just reported that the Project 2025 guy is no longer speaking at today's cabinet meeting. The official explanation is that he's no longer available. But my guess is that perhaps Carney and his team read the room and decided to cancel his appearance. I imagine the backlash from the public would have been fierce.

Like it or not, and no matter how much Trump lies and says he has no idea who these guys are, the P2025 guys are very much laying out the playbook for how the US is acting. As much as it pains me to say (and I think the meeting is bad for optics) it makes sense to understand the person across the table. Like it or not, we will forever be the US's neighbors and what they do directly affects us no matter how much we try to de-couple. I'd rather we understand their decision making process instead of taking the "wait it out and pray a Democrat wins" next time. I also suspect that there is an understanding that Canada realizes it's entirely plausible that there won't be another fair election for a while in the US and to prepare for that possibility we need to fully understand their thought process to prepare on our end.

I don't think there is any malicious intent from Carney's end to meet with them, other than a meeting to fully understand their perspective and decision making process. I am also not blind to the fact that if PP was the PM, or even Danielle Smith was meeting with these people, the backlash would be extremely fierce. Would I give them the benefit of a doubt in that situation? Honestly, probably not.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Like it or not, and no matter how much Trump lies and says he has no idea who these guys are, the P2025 guys are very much laying out the playbook for how the US is acting. As much as it pains me to say (and I think the meeting is bad for optics) it makes sense to understand the person across the table. Like it or not, we will forever be the US's neighbors and what they do directly affects us no matter how much we try to de-couple. I'd rather we understand their decision making process instead of taking the "wait it out and pray a Democrat wins" next time. I also suspect that there is an understanding that Canada realizes it's entirely plausible that there won't be another fair election for a while in the US and to prepare for that possibility we need to fully understand their thought process to prepare on our end.

I don't think there is any malicious intent from Carney's end to meet with them, other than a meeting to fully understand their perspective and decision making process. I am also not blind to the fact that if PP was the PM, or even Danielle Smith was meeting with these people, the backlash would be extremely fierce. Would I give them the benefit of a doubt in that situation? Honestly, probably not.

Which is a fair educated response. Smith has met with people who have similar goals, and is now attempting to force those monstrous policies through on us. She'd be going for lessons, not to learn weaknesses.

[kermitology]

You don't need to have him in a cabinet meeting to understand their goals. That was an extremely poor decision by Carney.

[Fuzz]

Plot twist, Carney snubbed.

"Regrettably, Dr. Roberts' office indicated that he can no longer join us to present today," said a spokesperson from the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) Thursday.
"Our team will continue further engagement and discussions with him and other leading U.S. policy figures soon, regarding Canada's economic and security relationship with the United States."
A spokesperson for Roberts said he "appreciated the invitation" but is unable to attend "and will be working in Washington."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kev...rney-1.7624327

[Johnny Makarov]

...hmmm maybe he got word we were going to serve him some Russian tea.

[Looch City]

Carney gets SHUT DOWN by the Trump Administration ONCE AGAIN.

SMH.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by direwolf

CBC just reported that the Project 2025 guy is no longer speaking at today's cabinet meeting. The official explanation is that he's no longer available. But my guess is that perhaps Carney and his team read the room and decided to cancel his appearance. I imagine the backlash from the public would have been fierce.

Doesn't sound like this is the case and you are rationalizing on their behalf.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kev...rney-1.7624327

"Regrettably, Dr. Roberts' office indicated that he can no longer join us to present today," said a spokesperson from the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) Thursday.

"Our team will continue further engagement and discussions with him and other leading U.S. policy figures soon, regarding Canada's economic and security relationship with the United States."

Carney doesn't expect immediate tariff relief after 'good conversation' with Trump
You may hear Project 2025 during the U.S. presidential election campaign. What is it?

A spokesperson for Roberts said he "appreciated the invitation" but is unable to attend "and will be working in Washington."

Let's be blunt, if the CPC invited a Project 2025 spokesperson to an elected CPC closed door cabinet meeting to discuss Canadian affairs, only to be snubbed by said spokesperson, this thread would have ballooned up 20 pages by some posters about our complete descent in far right fascism and US sycophantism instead of rationalizing the meeting / non-meeting. And anyone attempting to rationalize the meeting would be vilified as far right sympathizers. Even outside of Project 2025 Roberts is not someone you approach to give a TED Talk.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-2025-opus-dei



The invite was a really odd and peculiar move. Questions should rightfully be asked.

[Fuzz]

PP speaks in ways that indicate he'd support a lot of Project 2025, so it would be right to be concerned, the same way it is right to be confused as to why Carney invited him. It's OK to look at these things in context.

[direwolf]

I never said it was a good move on Carney’s part, and I’m glad that the meeting was cancelled. What exactly was this guy going to tell them that we don’t already know?

[Monahammer]

The invitation is only problematic in two scenarios:

- You believe the person making the invitation intends to adopt the policies of the person invited
- You are embroiled in the depths of the culture war and have abandoned the notion that rational civil discourse between opposing view points is possible.

Neither of these scenarios should apply to Carney, leader of Canada, trying to host a policy maker ostensibly in control of US foreign policy, while the number one issue his gov faces is US trade policy. If we were Poland in 1938 I would expect Carney to invite Hitler and Goebbles over to discuss policy.

However, if Smith or PP made the invitation there is a strong probability that item 1 is in play, and that's why it would be intolerable.

[peter12]

You guys would be losing it if a Poilievre Cabinet invited someone from Project 2025 up here to speak. The Liberal partisan mind is incredible.

[BigThief]

So is the mind of a coward.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by peter12

You guys would be losing it if a Poilievre Cabinet invited someone from Project 2025 up here to speak. The Liberal partisan mind is incredible.

Did you read the post immediately above yours as to why that is the correct reaction.

[BigThief]

You don't make quick insecure judgements and overshare your mundane life by actually paying attention to others. That would require self reflection, and who has time for that.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GGG

Did you read the post immediately above yours as to why that is the correct reaction.

I didn’t think it was correct.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by BigThief

You don't make quick insecure judgements and overshare your mundane life by actually paying attention to others. That would require self reflection, and who has time for that.

You didn’t like my RAV4 story, man?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Firebot;9500907

Front runner pool is...mediocre? Who is the one candidate to most likely to bring back the party from the abyss?

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https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/07/08/few-canadians-are-familiar-with-possible-ndp-leadership-contenders-poll/[/url]

I’m reading Doppleganger by Naomi Klein. She is married to Avi Lewis (one-time host of The New Music). Reading about him I learned:

Lewis supports shifting the NDP further to the left. Considered a potential candidate in the 2026 New Democratic Party leadership election, Lewis will launch his campaign in September 2025.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Lewis

Heather McPherson, Avi Lewis prepare NDP leadership bids

Edmonton MP Heather McPherson and Vancouver activist Avi Lewis are gearing up to launch NDP leadership bids, the Star has learned, as the party’s high-stakes race to replace Jagmeet Singh gets set to begin next week.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...4769f692e.html

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

, as the party’s high-stakes race to replace Jagmeet Singh gets set to begin next week.

The NDP got 6 per cent of the vote. In the great majority of races, they failed to reach the 10 per cent threshold to qualify for campaign expense rebates from Elections Canada, leaving their finances in tatters.

They lost more seats to the Conservatives than to the Liberals, finishing third in traditional union strongholds like Windsor West.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11159180/...-conservative/

Appealing to disaffected graduate students and Toronto media freelancers isn’t the path back to electoral relevance. If the NDP want to avoid becoming the Green Party, they need to find a way to reconnect with the working class. Turning the party into a platform for Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein to preach their brand of urban-hipster activism would be the final nail in the coffin for the party.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

You didn’t like my RAV4 story, man?

It was great that you didn't post for days after Fuzz pwned you.

What a sad muppet.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by peter12

You guys would be losing it if a Poilievre Cabinet invited someone from Project 2025 up here to speak. The Liberal partisan mind is incredible.

"You guys"

Dude, I am a card carrying party member, and have been to the last 4 Canada Strong and Free conference/ meetings (though, I personally find them quite distasteful.)

I laid out exactly why I think Poilievre would be totally out of line for inviting that fellow to Canada, and why I don't think it applies to Carney. Carney isn't courting social conservatives and pretty actively ran against these types of policies. Poilievre didn't, which in fact is a large reason why he lost the election in stunning, humiliating fashion and will again if he is allowed to continue running the party.

I voted for Charest to lead the party and will vote for another eastern conservative next time.