Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by woob

Aren’t the GoA workers near strike status as well?

Originally Posted by getbak

They voted to strike back in May and have 120 days to call the strike, which will be sometime in early September.

The vote got the government back to the table and they've been having mediation sessions throughout the summer. Right now, they're in the final round of "Enhanced Mediation", with three more sessions scheduled this week. If they don't have something to bring to their members by Friday, they'll likely be going on strike shortly after.

Oh man. This could be really good (and really devastating).

Can you imagine if the GoA workers and Teachers go on strike at the same time and stay on strike for a prolonged amount of time. That would be disastrous for the popularity of the UCP.

The government would grind to a halt at the same time as all of the parents who have had their heads in the ground get a rude awakening as their kids are suddenly not at their respective daycares (schools) it would be impossible to hide the incompetence of the government. The extra attention would definitely provide an opportunity for more people to become aware as to how horrible this government has become.

Also, with both groups striking at the same time there would be more leverage on their side to get the government to meet their demands. If I were a teacher, I probably would be adding a new demand to my list to ensure all of the kids in my classroom are vaccinated and healthy to promote a safer workplace and better results for the kids. Looking forward to a winter of Flu, Covid, and Measels would be super gross to me.

[WideReceiver]

It’s as if they don’t know or care that kids are our future.

[WideReceiver]

I’m tempted to drive across the border to get the shots. I have to find the nearest site in B.C.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

I’m tempted to drive across the border to get the shots. I have to find the nearest site in B.C.

I expect Golden or Invermere would be the answer but probably not until late October. BC wants to give their citizens a chance to get vaccinated before opening it up to vaccine refugees from Alberta.

But if you can go to BC, I would stress that we should do so. With how limited the supply is here in Alberta, anyone who can get a shot elsewhere will give someone less mobile the ability to get a shot here.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

It’s as if they don’t know or care that kids are our future.

True, but the future looks to be a borderline inhospitable wasteland where 'Winner Takes All' so we've got to toughen those little kids up or they're not going to make it as anything more than WarBoys for the local Warlord.

[calgarygeologist]

Demanding to have only healthy kids in the classroom sounds like a pretty discriminatory request. What are the unhealthy, chronically ill or mentally unhealthy (which seems like many now) kids supposed to do for education?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Demanding to have only healthy kids in the classroom sounds like a pretty discriminatory request. What are the unhealthy, chronically ill or mentally unhealthy (which seems like many now) kids supposed to do for education?

First off, that is not how discrimination works.

But, what should they do? Stay home until they are healthy and then wear a mask and get vaccinated in order to stay healthy. Get better building infrastructure with proper air cleaning. If you want to understand the examples you can look up the term "Davos safe".

Chronically ill kids are likely already being pulled from classrooms as the risk of them dying from covid or measles that your unhealthy kids are bringing into the room is simply too high. In short, today's classroom already discriminates against chronically ill kids because the space is unsafe for them to be in.

Mentally unhealthy people are different problems that need more robust solutions than just trying to fight a virus. They likely need specialized instruction that cannot be given in a classroom, especially as class sizes are getting bigger and bigger at an uncontrolled rate. The government refuses to even report on class sizes anymore as the UCP stopped that back in 2019.

But since there are links between some chronic illnesses, mental health, and viruses then that is all the more reason to use all possible resources to keep the kids safe from viruses.

All kids should be protected.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Oh man. This could be really good (and really devastating).

Can you imagine if the GoA workers and Teachers go on strike at the same time and stay on strike for a prolonged amount of time. That would be disastrous for the popularity of the UCP.

The government would grind to a halt at the same time as all of the parents who have had their heads in the ground get a rude awakening as their kids are suddenly not at their respective daycares (schools) it would be impossible to hide the incompetence of the government. The extra attention would definitely provide an opportunity for more people to become aware as to how horrible this government has become.

Also, with both groups striking at the same time there would be more leverage on their side to get the government to meet their demands. If I were a teacher, I probably would be adding a new demand to my list to ensure all of the kids in my classroom are vaccinated and healthy to promote a safer workplace and better results for the kids. Looking forward to a winter of Flu, Covid, and Measels would be super gross to me.

Albertans have shown over and over they can't relate these actions to their vote. Once in the booth a blue curtain drops, and their vote is registered. How a single teacher or HC worker could rationalize voting for the UCP is beyond the grasp of explainable logic, yet they do it over and over. Albertans are hopelessly irrational. Rural health facilities barely function, yet that's where the UCP get the most support, somehow deluding themselves into thinking these people actually care about them.

[calgarygeologist]

It's not discriminatory to demand that only healthy kids be present in a classroom? How are you going to determine classification for healthy? You'd have to start assessing kid's health files and grouping them based on current and past issues.

Sorry little Jimmy, but because teachers have demanded all kids in the classroom have to be healthy you can't be with your friends anymore. But we're certain you'll make new friends in our health risk category B classroom.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's not discriminatory to demand that only healthy kids be present in a classroom? How are you going to determine classification for healthy? You'd have to start assessing kid's health files and grouping them based on current and past issues.

Sorry little Jimmy, but because teachers have demanded all kids in the classroom have to be healthy you can't be with your friends anymore. But we're certain you'll make new friends in our health risk category B classroom.

This is a really weird argument. Do you not understand the difference between someone being actively infected with a virus versus other physical ailments?

I will try to make this simple. I am only talking about viruses, infecting other people with viruses, and none of this other stuff that you brought up for no reason. In case you missed the memo, viruses are bad, spreading viruses is preventable, and people need to do better to stop the spread of viruses to themselves as well as their kids.

These are a few reasonable steps to how we make classrooms safe and inclusive:

• Getting vaccinated against viruses is an easy and safe way to protect people from viruses. Some viruses were eradicated before dumb people stopped vaccinating for them and allowed them to come back.
• Classroom infrastructure can be improved to help prevent virus spread before symptoms are obvious. People in power in Alberta do not like this option because it costs money and takes money away from grifts
• Having a kid show up to class with a virus should be stopped to protect the rest of the kids and the teacher from being infected by the virus.

As a parent, it is your responsibility to not send your virus spreading kid to class and get other kids infected. If everyone did that, viruses would not spread so much and kids and teachers would be healthier.

As a teacher, I think it is reasonable to expect a healthy and safe workplace. I assume you would agree to having a safe workplace at an oil rig, so why shouldn't a teacher expect a safe workplace? They do not get paid the same kind of hazard salary that a rigpig gets but I would argue that a teacher is way more important.

Why wouldn't you want a safe workplace for kids? How much would you pay for your kids safety? $500 for a HEPA filter? $1000 for UV lights that kill viruses? $5000 to properly ventilate the room? For a room with 20+ kids I would easily pay all of that.

If your kid is sick so often that you feel like I am discriminating against you then maybe you should stop and take a look at your life choices that are leading to your kid being sick all of the time. Being infected with a virus should be an infrequent occurrence, not a constant activity.

If your kid has some other issue such as critical illness or mental health problems, then I am sorry, but I am not talking about those kids or those problems but I do think they need to be better supported as well. I would be happy to reset and talk about that specifically as I feel like the UCP is failing in those situations as well by increasing class sizes and eroding class room support.

[calgarygeologist]

You have a real strong fascination with my kids since you've brought them up twice now to try to disparage us. Are you incapable of talking about theoreticals and policies without being a dickhead?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You have a real strong fascination with my kids since you've brought them up twice now to try to disparage us. Are you incapable of talking about theoreticals and policies without being a dickhead?

I am not disparaging your kids, I am engaging you to try to understand why you are twisting my words. I made a comment about teachers expecting safety from viruses as the government actively removes vaccinations from kids under 12 and you tried to turn it into some kind of false flag argument of discrimination against critically ill or mentally unhealthy kids.

If you want to have a good faith argument with everyone being respectful then you shouldn't start from a position of being disrespectful to what the other person has said.

Or, to use your own words: By suggesting that I am discriminating against sick kids you are being a dickhead in this situation, not a victim.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You have a real strong fascination with my kids since you've brought them up twice now to try to disparage us. Are you incapable of talking about theoreticals and policies without being a dickhead?

lol between this post and calling “kids shouldn’t go to school while infectious” discriminatory maybe it’s time to log off. Drunk posting is lame.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol between this post and calling “kids shouldn’t go to school while infectious” discriminatory maybe it’s time to log off. Drunk posting is lame.

You first

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Dion

You first

Just what every anti-vaxxer wants: Dion to the rescue.

[Fuzz]

COVID-19 VACCINES (2020 to 2024) Prevented 2.5 million DEATHS globally AND Saved 15 million LIFE-YEARS ...Earning mRNA vaccines the Nobel Prize in Medicine

https://bsky.app/profile/drgorfinkel.../3lx45c5ohos2w


This is what Danielle Smith believes taxpayer dollars are not worth being spent on . She's a ####ing moron and Albertans will continue to die because of her evil cruel leadership, and those who give her that power. Be better.

Smith stuck to her guns Saturday however, saying it’s her job to manage the province’s tax dollars responsibly.


“We just have to make sure we’re managing our limited tax dollars in the best possible way,” she said, “and we’ll see how this (winter) season goes.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/artic...d-19-vaccines/


Ya, gotta make sure there are tax dollars left to pay for your mistakes and settlements with oil companies and back stopping the oil industry. It's too bad we don't have an $8 billion surplus to help cover this.


Gaslighting cow.

[Codes]

I'm pretty sure a COVID vaccine is much cheaper than treating a case of COVID that requires medical intervention.

Gold star, UCP! Super fiscal responsibility on display.

Between this and damn ostrich farm, I'm losing my mind.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://bsky.app/profile/drgorfinkel.../3lx45c5ohos2w


This is what Danielle Smith believes taxpayer dollars are not worth being spent on . She's a ####ing moron and Albertans will continue to die because of her evil cruel leadership, and those who give her that power. Be better.




https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/artic...d-19-vaccines/


Ya, gotta make sure there are tax dollars left to pay for your mistakes and settlements with oil companies and back stopping the oil industry. It's too bad we don't have an $8 billion surplus to help cover this.


Gaslighting cow.

Gross.

At the same time she is gaslighting about vaccine programs, she is also coming out suggesting that teachers are stealing / misspending money.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...eachers-strike

“When you look at public schools, we’re paying anywhere between $12,000 to $14,000 per student,” said Smith. “And so, when I look at that, I ask the question, ‘Where the money’s going?’ People can do the math on it themselves. It should be enough to hire a teacher and education assistant for every classroom.”

It is as if she needs a teacher to teacher her how expenses work. Buildings, utilities, insurance, teachers, support staff, class room materials, maintenance, etc.

There are any number of things she could have said in response to the question but she had to go with the path of suggesting something untoward is happening with the money and that common sense napkin math proves her point.

It is almost as if every accusation out of her mouth is a confession.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Gross.

At the same time she is gaslighting about vaccine programs, she is also coming out suggesting that teachers are stealing / misspending money.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...eachers-strike



It is as if she needs a teacher to teacher her how expenses work. Buildings, utilities, insurance, teachers, support staff, class room materials, maintenance, etc.

There are any number of things she could have said in response to the question but she had to go with the path of suggesting something untoward is happening with the money and that common sense napkin math proves her point.

It is almost as if every accusation out of her mouth is a confession.

Well hold on for a second, because that’s an interesting way to look at this. We (as a province) spend about $158m to run the legislature each year. Where in the world is that money going? Obviously people can do the math themselves, but that should be enough to get someone competent in government. Alas, here we are.

[Fuzz]

We know some of that money paid for her to bull#### around with Kevin "lied way to fortune" O'Leary, Prager "Handmaid Training" University, and Ben "I was simply wrong about Donald Trump" Shapiro.