AC has stranded us in Athens … advice?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize you were talking about not for profit businesses.

You sound like a dang communist, son.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by peter12

You sound like a dang communist, son.

You sound like peter12

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

The strike will end at some point and we'll know what the market is willing to pay. Do you really think they're getting everything they ask for? They're shooting for the moon.

No, they'll likely meet somewhere in the middle between their ridiculously high demands and AC's hilariously low offer

[peter12]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You sound like peter12

Buddy we’re just having a conversation. Is your underwear a bit too tight?

[photon]

The flight attendants I know I've seen go from being able to live ok to it being an extreme challenge because inflation has far outstripped their income despite seniority and other things that they can do to improve things. I don't know much about the details, I just see that (and to be fair I see that across so much of society not just their jobs).

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Yeah, people typically get promoted or find better paying jobs, as I did.

Yeah most people get their significant salary improvements through transitions rather than sticking with a job don't they?

The union rules and even just the market throw their own wrench into that.. it's not like me where if I want to switch companies there's 100's to 1000's of companies that I could do what I do at.. there aren't that many airlines and switching would mean losing seniority and staring from scratch which could be difficult to impossible for someone that has been doing it for a long time.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by btimbit

No, they'll likely meet somewhere in the middle between their ridiculously high demands and AC's hilariously low offer

And the sunshine and rainbow crowd will continue to say they aren't paid enough even when their own union has agreed to terms.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by photon

The flight attendants I know I've seen go from being able to live ok to it being an extreme challenge because inflation has far outstripped their income despite seniority and other things that they can do to improve things. I don't know much about the details, I just see that (and to be fair I see that across so much of society not just their jobs).



Yeah most people get their significant salary improvements through transitions rather than sticking with a job don't they?

The union rules and even just the market throw their own wrench into that.. it's not like me where if I want to switch companies there's 100's to 1000's of companies that I could do what I do at.. there aren't that many airlines and switching would mean losing seniority and staring from scratch which could be difficult to impossible for someone that has been doing it for a long time.

So... don't become a flight attendant if you don't like the state of play in that industry. They were free to make that decision with the long-term pay implications in mind, no one forced them to choose that industry. Also, Canada isn't the only country in the world with airports and airlines.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

And the sunshine and rainbow crowd will continue to say they aren't paid enough even when their own union has agreed to terms.

Probably, just like the the 'wah they don't have college degrees' crowd will continue to say they're unskilled and overpaid

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

And the sunshine and rainbow crowd will continue to say they aren't paid enough even when their own union has agreed to terms.

And they probably won’t be.

And other cogs of the capitalist machine happy to be taken advantage of will side with the employers and so we go around and around.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Probably, just like the the 'wah they don't have college degrees' crowd will continue to say they're unskilled and overpaid

Look, I want them to get a good deal, but you seem generally surprised that wages are set by demand for a prospective employee's skillset.

Do you really think that someone who is essentially a server with some safety training should be paid higher than what they are paid, currently? If so, how much?

Flight attendants are typically gap-type jobs for younger men and women who like to travel, and are currently working towards something else. I get that seniority and experience matter, but there has to be a reasonably low ceiling for these kinds of skills.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And they probably won’t be.

And other cogs of the capitalist machine happy to be taken advantage of will side with the employers and so we go around and around.

Someone needs to read 1984 again, or perhaps for the first time.

[photon]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

So... don't become a flight attendant if you don't like the state of play in that industry. They were free to make that decision with the long-term pay implications in mind, no one forced them to choose that industry. Also, Canada isn't the only country in the world with airports and airlines.

Yeah that's what I told them.. next time do a better job of predicting the state of an industry in 25 years.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by peter12

Buddy we’re just having a conversation. Is your underwear a bit too tight?

Wow dude 2 minutes back and you're already showing your revulsive side

Everyone here know's AC's problems are all Anthony's fault, lol

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by peter12

Buddy we’re just having a conversation. Is your underwear a bit too tight?

I’m just poking fun but I do get a kick out the fact that you being told that you sound like yourself appears to have struck a nerve

[peter12]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m just poking fun but I do get a kick out the fact that you being told that you sound like yourself appears to have struck a nerve

Haha, I know that I have a tone. Don't worry, it was all in good fun.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Wow dude 2 minutes back and you're already showing your revulsive side

Everyone here know's AC's problems are all Anthony's fault, lol

*repulsive

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Someone needs to read 1984 again, or perhaps for the first time.

lol you absolutely do

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by peter12

*repulsive

I meant what I said thanks

[peter12]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I meant what I said thanks

I don't believe you.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by photon

Yeah that's what I told them.. next time do a better job of predicting the state of an industry in 25 years.

There is quite a bit of career flexibility over 25 years.