Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, it makes financial sense for corporations to do that. But it makes more sense for albertans to have high paying jobs when possible.

Not really in this case, moving refined products in mixed products pipelines is a pita and it really is best to keep the molecule whole and move it to market that way.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, it makes financial sense for corporations to do that. But it makes more sense for albertans to have high paying jobs when possible.

Albertans can move to Ontario and give them a taste of their of medicine.

[Firebot]

Refined products at a refinery is a lot more than just turning crude oil into gasoline.

Gasoline
Jet Fuel
Diesel
Asphalt
Lubricant

Each one requires different supply chains going to different locations with different shipping methods and transportation regulations.

There's a reason why refineries are mostly in Texas or ports in Canada (number of refineries are far away from any crude oil source).



The highest concentration of refineries in the US are all along the gulf coast or the Great Lakes. Coincidentally, many refineries are located near high population areas.



An agreement to ship oil from Alberta to refineries in Ontario makes perfect sense, as that is where the refineries are, and subsequently where many people using said products live.

All that said, the question of "Ontario has tidewater ports"? is a legitimate question, and what is omitted from the Alberta press release is Smith and Ford are planning to build a tidewater port in James Bay, and want to get pipelines and rail approved to get to it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...a-surprise-to/

Sometimes the answer to the question is simpler than it is made out to be.

[woob]

Isn't the useablity of a tidewater port in James Bay limited by seasonal ice? And then there's the water depth as well.

[Fuzz]

Ice might not be an issue by the time the port is ready.

[Harry Lime]

James Bay has had an open waterway for a while now, during winter (if I remember correctly). It still has all of the dangers associated with a sudden prolonged shift in weather, or a drifting iceberg, or any number of things.

I would have to assume that there has been some thought into how they manipulate winter. Icebreaker lead boats? I don't know, but they seem confident.

Also, I think that the pipelines to refineries in Ontario are for domestic use and not export, but it could be that I read that wrong.

Shangri-la would be a pipeline to New Brunswick.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

James Bay has had an open waterway for a while now, during winter (if I remember correctly). It still has all of the dangers associated with a sudden prolonged shift in weather, or a drifting iceberg, or any number of things.

I would have to assume that there has been some thought into how they manipulate winter. Icebreaker lead boats? I don't know, but they seem confident.

Also, I think that the pipelines to refineries in Ontario are for domestic use and not export, but it could be that I read that wrong.

Shangri-la would be a pipeline to New Brunswick.

once you've built a pipe to James Bay the pipeline to the St Lawrence isn't that far though

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

once you've built a pipe to James Bay the pipeline to the St Lawrence isn't that far though

But again, no one is going to export significant quantities of oil out the seaway, for reasons already discussed. The only reason you continue the pipeline south is to feed the southern Ontario refineries, which are currently mostly supplied by Enbridge Line 3. And you only do that if you are worried about the US, which can change in the future.

[D as in David]

Would the line be a straight shot from the oilfields in Northern AB to James Bay? That is, north of Lakes Winnipeg and Manitoba?

[Fuzz]

Doubtful. Probably head off from Hardisty terminal. Probably follow th TC mainline until almost directly south of James Bay, then head north. It's super remote and hard to access a lot of the shield area, so you would want to follow highway infrastructure.

[Fuzz]

The only rational conclusion here is that Rempel believes the Liberals didn't do enough to combat climate change.


Watching the far right lose their minds and dedicate endless radio hours and articles about a temporary safety measure has been pretty delicious. FREEDIM! They wail.

[Johnny Makarov]

Remplestiltskin!!

She has been so absent, I forgot she was still a MP.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Doubtful. Probably head off from Hardisty terminal. Probably follow th TC mainline until almost directly south of James Bay, then head north. It's super remote and hard to access a lot of the shield area, so you would want to follow highway infrastructure.

Tank Farm and terminal in Manitoba where the original Keystone Line heads south.

Just a bit SW of Winnipeg I believe...Looked it up...Last Pumpstation before going south is at Portage La Prairie...

Go north from there as required.

[kermitology]

Stupid Libs.. why don't you control the weather better?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only rational conclusion here is that Rempel believes the Liberals didn't do enough to combat climate change.


Watching the far right lose their minds and dedicate endless radio hours and articles about a temporary safety measure has been pretty delicious. FREEDIM! They wail.

I overheard a whole group of people ranting about environmental lockdowns and “how’d we get here!?!?” Tonight. They blamed Covid and said people just go along with things now and Canadians would have revolted 10 years ago… sure.

[Fuzz]

None of these people have probably ever even been in the woods. They wouldn't know what do do, would toss their cigarette, and haul ass outa there in their pickups.


These are not people we should be looking to for rational policy critique.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Doug Ford mandating 4 days in the office per week for provincial employees. Gotta use that tax money on rent we didn’t need…

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Doug Ford mandating 4 days in the office per week for provincial employees. Gotta use that tax money on rent we didn’t need…

At first I thought this was a mandate to introduce four day work weeks.

[Johnny Makarov]

PPs new slogan. Block Baby Block.

Carney is coming for your tracks!! lol

Do the deplorables still lap this crap up?

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Doug Ford mandating 4 days in the office per week for provincial employees. Gotta use that tax money on rent we didn’t need…

Since most of the real estate is owned or long term leased not really an issue, I actually support this, I don’t think we are thriving sitting in our basements all the time staring at screens,