American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Like you see no difference between the CBC and Chinese or Russian state run media? I don't think those media have explicit guidance either. If you ask them they're just objectively reporting the truth that Xi is the greatest.

No I definitely understand there’s a difference, probably, although I am assuming this based on what I know. I don’t go out of my way to read and absorb a bunch of Chinese or Russian news do you? Are you an expert and absorb a ton of their media? And I think this discussion has mostly veered off into a weird strawman because back to the original point there is some implicit bias because of which group pays the bills.

TBH this is just human nature. It’s not a controversial take. Maybe in CP, I guess. Those who pay the bills have the ability to massage, coerce and generally dictate things even at “arms length” lol.and yes the CBC is biased.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

No I definitely understand there’s a difference, probably, although I am assuming this based on what I know. I don’t go out of my way to read and absorb a bunch of Chinese or Russian news do you? Are you an expert and absorb a ton of their media? And I think this discussion has mostly veered off into a weird strawman because back to the original point there is some implicit bias because of which group pays the bills.

TBH this is just human nature. It’s not a controversial take. Maybe in CP, I guess. Those who pay the bills have the ability to massage, coerce and generally dictate things even at “arms length” lol.and yes the CBC is biased.

Is the CBC only biased when the Liberals are in power? Does the bias change when the Conservatives are in power?

If the bias doesn't shift then it's not an issue with government interference is it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yep I’m aware of the laws, and this is addressing Cappy too but at the end of the day wherever the funding comes from is what drives outcomes. And yes my opinion on that is sufficient for me based on my experiences in life and also I guess common sense, but if we’d all like to pretend that there’s no implicit guidance (operative word implicit) to report news under a set tone and with some (unconscious) bias that’s okay too. I’m just not sure why people would be surprised at when the obvious is pointed out.

There’s actually quite a few examples over time and I think Firebot has done a good job of demonstrating this plus the latest stories coming out from some of the journalists talking about internal pressure etc. I’m sure everyone’s just making everything up and the CBC is the most centrist and detached from the government enterprise ever though!

Also have you ever made one post on this website without insulting people?I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen one.

I don’t think you are aware, because you’re asking questions that would be answered if you did and you hold an opinion not based on evidence or an understanding of how independent roles, offices, and crown corporations work in relation to the government. There are many more examples of those things being successfully independent (their existence depends on it) than your vague subjective experience, which isn’t relevant to this conversation. You’re legitimately confused about the difference between state run media and publicly funded media, so no, you clearly do not know, but you think you do, which is fine.

To your second paragraph, I’m not sure the biased opinions of people with individual grudges against the organization are relevant either. If we want to use more objective evaluations, we can look at the context provided in the MBFC review, rather than basing it off of your opinion or some random poster.

There was also no insult there, just a reference to things you’ve actually said when challenged on your opinion. It’s funny that you think you can talk to me the way you have and then comment on how insulting my posts are, though. Says a lot.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

No I definitely understand there’s a difference, probably, although I am assuming this based on what I know. I don’t go out of my way to read and absorb a bunch of Chinese or Russian news do you? Are you an expert and absorb a ton of their media? And I think this discussion has mostly veered off into a weird strawman because back to the original point there is some implicit bias because of which group pays the bills.

TBH this is just human nature. It’s not a controversial take. Maybe in CP, I guess. Those who pay the bills have the ability to massage, coerce and generally dictate things even at “arms length” lol.and yes the CBC is biased.

News is biased. That’s a way more accurate thing to say than singling out CBC like it’s the only media outlet that has a “bias” in reporting.

Most grown ups understand this and do the crazy wild thing of seeking out numerous sources before making their own opinions.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The CBC may not be perfect, but it's important to remember that Donald Trump is a pedophile.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The CBC may not be perfect, but it's important to remember that Donald Trump is a pedophile.

A more interesting discussion on media bias will be watching CBS and if their coverage continues to veer hard right now that they're a collaborator with the Trump administration.

[Senator Clay Davis]

They all will bend the knee, they are all money hungry pussies. It's up to us to stop supporting them every way we can. But most people don't have the will to do something as audacious as cancel Paramount+.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

They all will bend the knee, they are all money hungry pussies. It's up to us to stop supporting them every way we can. But most people don't have the will to do something as audacious as cancel Paramount+.

Cancel Paramount+? And miss out on all that sweet sweet dad tv? Geriatrics nationwide would revolt.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

They all will bend the knee, they are all money hungry pussies. It's up to us to stop supporting them every way we can. But most people don't have the will to do something as audacious as cancel Paramount+.

But they give us South Park. Can't give up South Park.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

But they give us South Park. Can't give up South Park.

No they don't, they paid for streaming rights.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by BigThief

No they don't, they paid for streaming rights.

Yeah, they own the rights to stream it thus giving us the opportunity to watch the show.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

No I definitely understand there’s a difference, probably, although I am assuming this based on what I know. I don’t go out of my way to read and absorb a bunch of Chinese or Russian news do you? Are you an expert and absorb a ton of their media? And I think this discussion has mostly veered off into a weird strawman because back to the original point there is some implicit bias because of which group pays the bills.

TBH this is just human nature. It’s not a controversial take. Maybe in CP, I guess. Those who pay the bills have the ability to massage, coerce and generally dictate things even at “arms length” lol.and yes the CBC is biased.

The government pays the bills for judges, court staff, tribunal members and tribunal staff. If your theories re "human nature" are true, we have much bigger problems than the CBC.

Thankfully, your theories are incorrect.

BTW I lived in China for three years about 25 years ago. Comparing CBC to state media in China is hilarious.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Would it kill you to read your sources before you comment?

But then it wouldn't be so easy to dunk on him!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

They all will bend the knee, they are all money hungry pussies. It's up to us to stop supporting them every way we can. But most people don't have the will to do something as audacious as cancel Paramount+.

They will bend the knee, you're right, and they are money-hungry...but whats more? I think they're terrified.

Not just about being shut down and the money stops, but this Government is being run on 'Cartel Rules.'

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To your second paragraph, I’m not sure the biased opinions of people with individual grudges against the organization are relevant either. If we want to use more objective evaluations, we can look at the context provided in the MBFC review, rather than basing it off of your opinion or some random poster.

There was also no insult there, just a reference to things you’ve actually said when challenged on your opinion. It’s funny that you think you can talk to me the way you have and then comment on how insulting my posts are, though. Says a lot.

According to your source there, the CBC is left-centre biased.

Calling somebody lazy is an insult. In order to meet your standards I even researched this. Typically when you insult somebody you get it back.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Is the CBC only biased when the Liberals are in power? Does the bias change when the Conservatives are in power?

If the bias doesn't shift then it's not an issue with government interference is it?

Still waiting for Mr Coffee to reply to this

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Still waiting for Mr Coffee to reply to this

If the Conservatives held power for the last 10 years would there be a shift rightward in their reporting and journalism? Yeah, I think so. Was there a right bias when Harper was in power? I’m not too sure, I honestly don’t remember.

Can independent agencies be independent and act in such manner? Sure. Does that mean they act independently in all manner all the time? I’m pretty skeptical. Looks like others have agreed that conflicts of interest exist and I’d agree. I don’t think anything is hard or fast. I also don’t think there is any getting around the funding model or fixing anything, I’m just saying it seems likely to me that based on being funded by the government they are likely to produce more favourable news than not for the group that funds them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

OK so provide some proof of it then please.
You are basically saying that the government is influencing the coverage of CBC.
Produce some actual information that shows that.

Otherwise you are part of the problem. A strongly formed loud opinion based on poor knowledge, little information, and bad assumptions.

To answer your question. No. When Harper was in power they didn't have a right bias. I would suggest that any left lean was in place then as well. Which suggests little to no influence by the government in power.

Again the media bias fact check site reference in this site, conclude there is a slight lean to the left by the CBC but the more important conclusions are:
- High factual reporting
- High credibility
- Low biased for straight news reporting
- Opinion pieces slightly favor the left, but have been critical of liberal leaders too
- No failed fact checks

Every news outlet has a lean. But the CBC is amongst the most credible and there is no evidence of government interference.

This stuff gets spread and people believe it.
It's a damn shame.

And I'll cut you off before you go there I'll just say, you are allowed to have an opinion. I just think it's one that is really badly informed.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK so provide some proof of it then please.
You are basically saying that the government is influencing the coverage of CBC.
Produce some actual information that shows that.

Otherwise you are part of the problem. A strongly formed loud opinion based on poor knowledge, little information, and bad assumptions.

To answer your question. No. When Harper was in power they didn't have a right bias. I would suggest that any left lean was in place then as well. Which suggests little to no influence by the government in power.

Again the media bias fact check site reference in this site, conclude there is a slight lean to the left by the CBC but the more important conclusions are:
- High factual reporting
- High credibility
- Low biased for straight news reporting
- Opinion pieces flightly favor the left, but have been critical of liberal leaders too
- No failed fact checks

Every news outlet has a lean. But the CBC is amongst the most credible and there is no evidence of government interference.

This stuff gets spread and people believe it.
It's a damn shame.

And I'll cut you off before you go there I'll just say, you are allowed to have an opinion. I I just think it's one that is really badly informed.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

According to your source there, the CBC is left-centre biased.

Calling somebody lazy is an insult. In order to meet your standards I even researched this. Typically when you insult somebody you get it back.

The source also gives a lot of context to that evaluation, which you’re free to read any time. Some of that context has even been posted here if it makes it easier for you.

You’ve used “lazy” to describe yourself so, in fairness, there’s really no reason for me to think that would be insulting to you. I’m sorry.

I also don’t think the last line is true. Recently a bully, who I’m guessing has some personal struggles he takes out on others, logged in just to tell me to shut the #### up and called me the worst person on the entire forum, and instead of returning the unprompted insult, I just made light of it. Lesson being, you don’t always have to respond to insults with more insults, even if they come from mean-spirited people.

Now go ahead and actually read up on these topics instead of just waiting for everyone to hand it to you. You’re more than capable of having the answers to these questions, if you actually want them.