American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

It speaks to the success of the weaponization of cable entertainment masquerading as news that people think an outlet is biased because it doesn't editorialize reality to align with their opinion.

How does one reach common ground with a group that's convinced their subjective reality is objective?

Please someone who thinks this is a good idea, try to answer this.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Agreed but I do think CBC needs to work a bit harder to overcome its bias and/or perception of bias. It’s a very important news source for Canadians but it also can’t get sucked in and needs to aim to be as centrist as possible and there are many examples over the years it is biased. Limit opinions and stick to news and facts, basically. And get rid of Barton. Stuff like that.

I don't see too many opinion pieces on CBC, really.

There are "analyses" which are very important to understand complex issues (they just had a great one on US manufacturing).

I think our idea of "centrism" has been skewed. We seem to think centrism is seeing both sides (Liberal and Conservative) as being rational or worthy of thought - but that is not always the case (for both sides).

If mainstream opinion and expert opinion are dramatically in one place (or on one "side") then that is centrism - not whatever the CPC or LPC party is spouting.

I also think it's tough when one side of the aisle has taken such an aggressive position against the whole organization (and any media organization that doesn't kowtow to their positions or facts)

The fact is that conservative politicians in the US and Canada have found their backers in the media; and anyone truly questioning their reality is to blame.

This article alone shows the trouble journalism/media is in:

https://albertapolitics.ca/2025/07/g...cp-government/

[btimbit]

CBC is more important than ever given that the bulk of our media is owned by American MAGA weirdos.

Which is exactly why it gets attacked as much as it does

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

MBFC is an American organization, and I don't believe they adjust ratings by country. America, as is known, has it's political centre fairly far right of Canada's. Many Democrats would be Conservatives here. When you look at the items the use to generate the ratings, it's actuality surprising CBC is only just left of American centre.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left-...media-sources/


What this tells you is that CBC, even if you ignore all I wrote above, is still not a left wing media source. It's just left. That's not a reason to de-fund it.


The fact that Sun media falls right-centre on their ratings is an indication the entire neutral base is shifted right, due to the makeup of America. We are not America. We sure as #### shouldn't try to be.

Hey man, you and I definitely agree that the CBC shouldn’t be defunded. That’s for sure and it’s a silly notion.

I agree with some points you guys are making (we disagree on the level of their bias I think though) but it made me think of one other thing that bugs me- when an article is news vs. Opinion. I know it can be readily found but I just think it should be extreme in how much it’s highlighted, like maybe in the title in brackets or something. In a very super obvious way. So many articles depending on the news agency it’s not quite highlighted enough whether something is fact vs opinion. That could just be me though and I get that.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Hey man, you and I definitely agree that the CBC shouldn’t be defunded. That’s for sure and it’s a silly notion.

I agree with some points you guys are making (we disagree on the level of their bias I think though) but it made me think of one other thing that bugs me- when an article is news vs. Opinion. I know it can be readily found but I just think it should be extreme in how much it’s highlighted, like maybe in the title. So many articles depending on the news agency it’s not quite highlighted enough whether something is fact vs opinion. That could just be me though and I get that.

Opinion articles suck ass and should have their own separate platform.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I don't see too many opinion pieces on CBC, really.

There are "analyses" which are very important to understand complex issues (they just had a great one on US manufacturing).

I think our idea of "centrism" has been skewed. We seem to think centrism is seeing both sides (Liberal and Conservative) as being rational or worthy of thought - but that is not always the case (for both sides).

If mainstream opinion and expert opinion are dramatically in one place (or on one "side") then that is centrism - not whatever the CPC or LPC party is spouting.

I also think it's tough when one side of the aisle has taken such an aggressive position against the whole organization (and any media organization that doesn't kowtow to their positions or facts)

The fact is that conservative politicians in the US and Canada have found their backers in the media; and anyone truly questioning their reality is to blame.

This article alone shows the trouble journalism/media is in:

https://albertapolitics.ca/2025/07/g...cp-government/

Agreed- centrism in Canada has skewed left!

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

They talk about it like it’s state run media.

It isn’t. It’s a public service. If it was state run, they’d do nothing but suck off the government and never say a single thing against their goals. Which obviously isn’t what happens. But some people see “left leaning” and lose their minds apparently, so they’d like to scrap a public service and get us further and further away from free media. Because they are either corrupt and into a fascist type government and want it, or they are ####ing useless morons.

65-70% of its funding apparently comes from the government.

You want to argue that’s not state run? Strip that funding and can it operate? I think it’s totally fair to question a) the government and b) a broadcaster whose majority funding comes from the government.

I’m not sure exactly what you mean by state run but it’s about as close as you can get no?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

65-70% of its funding apparently comes from the government.

You want to argue that’s not state run? Strip that funding and can it operate? I think it’s totally fair to question a) the government and b) a broadcaster whose majority funding comes from the government.

I’m not sure exactly what you mean by state run but it’s about as close as you can get no?

It’s a public service. That is what it is. That’s how public services are funded.

By “State run media” I mean what China and Russia have.

[KelVarnsen]

So how about those Epstein files?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s a public service. That is what it is. That’s how public services are funded.

By “State run media” I mean what China and Russia have.

Okay I’m not sure what you’re getting at though, like what’s the difference? As in the government doesn’t expressly tell them what to report kinda thing?

Sure I guess. End of the day there’s still an implicit guidance as a result of funding. Again I agree CBC is necessary but to disregard the inherent conflict of interest there is… well… biased!

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Also writing out in BILLIONS OF DOLLARS instead of what it amounts to like 1% (or less?) of the total budget of the entire federal government.

Fund the CBC.

We need Canadian media. Now more than ever with these fascist ####s in the US and their fascist media taking over.

When guys like Estrada talk about defunding the CBC they're usually only talk about the CBC news portion forgetting that CBC is a big organization with hands in all sorts of media. Dozens of local channels and even more affiliates, more radio stations, new media podcast etc, cbc news, cbc sports etc. Honestly my 30 bucks year in taxes is well spent in just the plethora of investigative podcast that they produce. Somebody Knows Something and The Next Call are two podcast series that

[Muta]

CBC has been a hallmark of Canadian culture for years; the only people who think its biased are right wing chuds who hate that CBC's news and political discussion isn't lockstep with private, American-owed media outlets. Bet you $1000 the 'defund the CBC' argument dries up REAL QUICK if they started turning more into Fox.

Also, never once have I looked at my taxes in March and shouted "HOLY ####, DAMN YOU CBC", as I shake my fist at a cloud.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Hey man, you and I definitely agree that the CBC shouldn’t be defunded. That’s for sure and it’s a silly notion.

I agree with some points you guys are making (we disagree on the level of their bias I think though) but it made me think of one other thing that bugs me- when an article is news vs. Opinion. I know it can be readily found but I just think it should be extreme in how much it’s highlighted, like maybe in the title in brackets or something. In a very super obvious way. So many articles depending on the news agency it’s not quite highlighted enough whether something is fact vs opinion. That could just be me though and I get that.

Yeah this should be made really obvious.
Some outlets do this better than others.

National Post has anything column related noted as "NP Comment'
WSJ does it better, putting all their colums on the far rail so it's more obvious.
https://www.wsj.com/

NYT is similar, with a separate opinion section on the far right side of their page.
https://www.nytimes.com/ and opinion is always placed above the headline of an article.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

End of the day there’s still an implicit guidance as a result of funding.

Proof of this? Was there any noticeable shift in tone during the Harper CPC time in power?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Agreed- centrism in Canada has skewed left!

I mean, my point was the exact opposite.

Conservative parties in Canada have skewed so far right that centrism is considered "left"

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

So how about those Epstein files?

No one would suspect the CBC of withholding them!!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Okay I’m not sure what you’re getting at though, like what’s the difference? As in the government doesn’t expressly tell them what to report kinda thing?

Sure I guess. End of the day there’s still an implicit guidance as a result of funding. Again I agree CBC is necessary but to disregard the inherent conflict of interest there is… well… biased!

That’s not how any of this works, no, and the differences are very easy to look up (as well as the laws protecting the CBC’s independence from implicit guidance or an inherent conflict of interest) if you were actually interested, but I’m guessing this is another situation where you’re too lazy/can’t be bothered and “just your opinion” is sufficient for you.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not how any of this works, no, and the differences are very easy to look up (as well as the laws protecting the CBC’s independence from implicit guidance or an inherent conflict of interest) if you were actually interested, but I’m guessing this is another situation where you’re too lazy/can’t be bothered and “just your opinion” is sufficient for you.

Yep I’m aware of the laws, and this is addressing Cappy too but at the end of the day wherever the funding comes from is what drives outcomes. And yes my opinion on that is sufficient for me based on my experiences in life and also I guess common sense, but if we’d all like to pretend that there’s no implicit guidance (operative word implicit) to report news under a set tone and with some (unconscious) bias that’s okay too. I’m just not sure why people would be surprised at when the obvious is pointed out.

There’s actually quite a few examples over time and I think Firebot has done a good job of demonstrating this plus the latest stories coming out from some of the journalists talking about internal pressure etc. I’m sure everyone’s just making everything up and the CBC is the most centrist and detached from the government enterprise ever though!

Also have you ever made one post on this website without insulting people?I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen one.

[Regorium]

Like you see no difference between the CBC and Chinese or Russian state run media? I don't think those media have explicit guidance either. If you ask them they're just objectively reporting the truth that Xi is the greatest.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Okay I’m not sure what you’re getting at though, like what’s the difference? As in the government doesn’t expressly tell them what to report kinda thing?

Sure I guess. End of the day there’s still an implicit guidance as a result of funding. Again I agree CBC is necessary but to disregard the inherent conflict of interest there is… well… biased!

You don’t? You seriously don’t? They are allowed to report on the government in a bad light. China and Russia are not… and soon to be the states are they clearly head in that direction. this is simple stuff dude.

There will always be a conflict of interest, it’s unavoidable in press.