American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Agreed. But to add, the brunt of economic pain is obviously going to be felt, but starting to get opaque in the available data as Trump just replaced the economic stats group responsible for reporting economic data with sycophants responsible to curate a message that reflects good news only.

States are ####ed- they’re not even going to know what’s going on.

Well sure, he's cult followers will swallow that load no problem. But the markets don't give the slightest #### about his fugazi numbers.

[ResAlien]

I bet there's a whole chunk of people in the Canadian federal politics thread that would love to expand upon that idea. Oddly enough this thread tends to focus on American politics though so your audience in here isn't likely to be as anxious to engage about it

Ope didn't quote him that was for the chinga tu madre guy

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Liberals generally don't support the rural areas and agriculture sector to the level of the Urban large centers. They are strong on supporting supply management because that garners support in Quebec.

Otherwise poorly thought out tarrifs on Chinese electric vehicles has resulted in large retalitory tarrifs on our grain. So supporting an almost non-existant Canadian EV industry has the effect of screwing the larger Ag industry that represents an important part of our gdp, but not many votes.

This is one simplified view on it. However it's not difficult to see why there are other perspectives. In your mind the liberals look out for every Canadian. In my mind they look out for the parts of Our society that represent the largest voting potential. I'm not sure that the UCP would do any better but the Liberals have not done the Ag sector any favours over the past 8 years. As a farmer how do I elicit positive change for myself by keeping the status quo?

I'm happy for you to show me I'm wrong and the reasons why the LPC will be a better advocate for agriculture, but up until now it hasn't appeared to be true.

You are conflating frderal with provincial as your reasoning for supporting the UCP. You are shockingly transparent.

No wonder your got upset when I called fascist supporters scum.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Duruss

You are conflating frderal with provincial as your reasoning for supporting the UCP. You are shockingly transparent.

No wonder your got upset when I called fascist supporters scum.

I think the issue is your broad over use of the fascist title. I would tend to agree that anyone who supports fascism is scum, yet I don't think that everyone who votes ucp is a supporter of fascism. It's just not the black and white delineation that you would like it to be.

[Drak]

Sure it is. Keep moving those goal posts.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Liberals generally don't support the rural areas and agriculture sector to the level of the Urban large centers. They are strong on supporting supply management because that garners support in Quebec.

Otherwise poorly thought out tarrifs on Chinese electric vehicles has resulted in large retalitory tarrifs on our grain. So supporting an almost non-existant Canadian EV industry has the effect of screwing the larger Ag industry that represents an important part of our gdp, but not many votes.

This is one simplified view on it. However it's not difficult to see why there are other perspectives. In your mind the liberals look out for every Canadian. In my mind they look out for the parts of Our society that represent the largest voting potential. I'm not sure that the UCP would do any better but the Liberals have not done the Ag sector any favours over the past 8 years. As a farmer how do I elicit positive change for myself by keeping the status quo?

I'm happy for you to show me I'm wrong and the reasons why the LPC will be a better advocate for agriculture, but up until now it hasn't appeared to be true.

You should really look into the Eastern Slopes issue in the Alberta thread, and other sources. The UCP in Alberta are close in policy goals to the US Republicans', and are the biggest threat to agriculture and ranching in Alberta that we've seen.... possibly ever.

If you are a farmer, imagine how terrifying it would be to have your water supply severely hampered, selenium poisoning effecting your ability to sell your livestock, and a number of other problems, and you literally get no benefit from it.

This isn't about picking a team, it's about which ####### is going to hurt you the least.

[dammage79]

The fact we have to choose who is going to EFF us more gently is the biggest issue. Personally, I'd like to be wined and dined before getting fisted.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Because the Republicans made him King. He can do whatever the #### he wants. The Democrats are completely useless as well, sometimes quisling-ing their way along for the ride(like voting to confirm insane nominations like RFK jr.).

Because they value their idea of a constitution that was signed in 1787 when King Louis XVI and King George III were rulers. It was literally signed in the era of Kings and tyrants. The consolidation of power within an office is something that has been built into the system for generations. This era of Americans politics reminds me of the era of robber barons, a lack of civil rights, and the use of force against workers/strikers such as in the Ludlow Massacre.

This isn't a new development, it is just a dismantling of the work of poor people's great grandparents. The more I read about American history the more I realize that the country I once respected has been built on the bedrock of oppression, even ignoring slavery (insert community clip).

Edit:

Also being someone who has been in the Canadian military (and worked/trained with the American military), I can't imagine a scenario where I would feel comfortable with the American military/national guard patrolling the streets of a city for "crime". It is absolutely insane to me to think of this being implimented as a political stunt and a means of intimidation.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I think the issue is your broad over use of the fascist title. I would tend to agree that anyone who supports fascism is scum, yet I don't think that everyone who votes ucp is a supporter of fascism. It's just not the black and white delineation that you would like it to be.

The UCP IS fascist, Smith has stated she wants to emulate DeSantis is Florida, she has dawned over Trump repeatedly, she spews Rusdiand and Republican propaganda. If you support fascists then you are a fascist, if you are okay sitting at the same table then you are rightly labeled as such. This has been known for over 80 years.


So once again, we can see right through you.

[bc-chris]

and here i thought i clicked on the american politics thread.... hmmmmm

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I think the issue is your broad over use of the fascist title. I would tend to agree that anyone who supports fascism is scum, yet I don't think that everyone who votes ucp is a supporter of fascism. It's just not the black and white delineation that you would like it to be.

You still haven't named one positive thing the UCP has done in their 6 years of power. They really are the worst political party of all time in Canada.

Were you waiting for their Lake of Fire references?

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Because they value their idea of a constitution that was signed in 1787 when King Louis XVI and King George III were rulers. It was literally signed in the era of Kings and tyrants. The consolidation of power within an office is something that has been built into the system for generations. This era of Americans politics reminds me of the era of robber barons, a lack of civil rights, and the use of force against workers/strikers such as in the Ludlow Massacre.

This isn't a new development, it is just a dismantling of the work of poor people's great grandparents. The more I read about American history the more I realize that the country I once respected has been built on the bedrock of oppression, even ignoring slavery (insert community clip).

I'm reading a book on the civil war era of the USA (Battle Cry of Freedom) and it's almost spooky to see the parallels here. Extreme racism within the churches, voter frauds and violent voter suppression, marginalization of migrant workers, rise of the two party system (where one had to literally reinvent itself), implementation and opposition of tarriffs, polarization of the slavery question, all of which contributed to the split of the country and eventual civil war.

Really seems like Trump is either naive to what caused the war and is accidentally rolling it all back to 1850, or is doing everything on purpose.

The only thing we are missing these days is duels.

[MissTeeks]

Well, no Kid Rock but you’ll have to watch Trump actually host the TV special.

https://tvline.com/news/donald-trump...es-1235487490/

President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that he will host the 48th Kennedy Center Honors.

During a press conference at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington, D.C., POTUS also revealed that this year’s honorees include actor/filmmaker Sylvester Stallone (Tulsa King), rock band Kiss, singer-songwriter George Strait, singer Gloria Gaynor, and actor/comedian/singer Michael Crawford.

[Harry Lime]

OMG, please bring back duels.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

I never thought Trump would come for Canada militarily. However, L.A., D.C. and he’s threatened to take over other cities. His goons haven’t defied his orders yet; what happens when sets his sights on us and our resources and pulls that trigger?

World War 3 and he knows it. It will never happen.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Defunding the CBC has been bandied about forever as it's a public broadcast service that only a fraction of Canadians use yet costs taxpayers $1.3 billion annually to operate. There are valid reasons behind defunding it that even Liberal voters support.

*forever* just means since (trigger warning)Harper tried to privatize them back in 2006. Forever is really the recent period from when Preston Manning decided to overthrow traditional Conservatism with his own brand of grievance based whinging, which has been disastrous for Canada because normal rational people no longer have a Conservative party to turn to.


I'd love to hear "valid reasons" in regard to our current modern geopolitical situation, where it has become stunningly obvious that free market journalism can not be relied upon to protect our democracy and accurately inform the populace. I just fail to see how you can watch what is happening down south, and still be so stubborn. Unless, of course you actually want what is happening down south up here. In which case I'd refer you to a doctor to check for brain damage.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Defunding the CBC has been bandied about forever as it's a public broadcast service that only a fraction of Canadians use yet costs taxpayers $1.3 billion annually to operate. There are valid reasons behind defunding it that even Liberal voters support.

I'm just going to be pedantic for a moment and say that it can only ever be a fraction of Canadians, because even 9/10 Canadians consuming some form of CBC content is still a fraction. A large fraction, but still a fraction.

Fund the CBC.

[Looch City]

Also writing out in BILLIONS OF DOLLARS instead of what it amounts to like 1% (or less?) of the total budget of the entire federal government.

Fund the CBC.

We need Canadian media. Now more than ever with these fascist ####s in the US and their fascist media taking over.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well sure, he's cult followers will swallow that load no problem. But the markets don't give the slightest #### about his fugazi numbers.

There are many examples of public economic data that organizations require to run their businesses and use in forecasts. Without this data, risk goes up. It’s not really all about the markets although I agree with you there are other data points (so far) uncontrolled by government markets may be able to rely on.

It’s really not just about data and it’s a massive issue if you believe the society is still a democracy. In fact this move is arguably the biggest canary in the coal mine about Trump’s authoritarian intentions. Well, this one or his moves to undermine the judiciary branch- one of the two.

[Cappy]

It's insane to look at what is happening with media in the US (and even here, in Canada, with some of these Op Ed farms) and think, "yeah, we don't need the CBC"

The two new sources I use every day is CBC and BBC.