2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by traptor

Some fans are so easy to please.

I can't imagine looking back at the last few years and saying "yes more of that please"

That last year under Sutter was one of the least enjoyable seasons a Flames fan. Just awful.
Last year though - I had enjoyed it a lot.

I don't think it's about being easy to please, it's about finding the joy in sports beyond wins and losses. i don't have time to spend on things that don't give me joy.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by traptor

Some fans are so easy to please.

I can't imagine looking back at the last few years and saying "yes more of that please"

I’m sure the majority of fans can’t imagine being those of us who spend the summer on internet message boards discussing the minutiae of cap and asset management and rehashing the ripple effect of trades years later for something that is strictly an entertainment product.

Different spokes.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Lol.

Based on what? You sure have a wild imagination.

It does not take imagination to google statistics, but just in case you are incapable of this type of rational thought:
You want your #1 Center to produce points
Kadri has 198 in 246 games
Miller has 255 points in 234 games

So almost a full Kadri season worth of production in points separating them. JT Miller also has better advanced metrics. Also dragged a team deep in the playoffs. Then was traded this year for a 1st + Chytil + ____. Likely more than Kadri will go for (if we can even trade him.)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I mean, I didn't remember making that trade proposal but Miller would have probably made us better than Kadri over the same period, and we would have gone on to trade him already again. So we'd still be in a better place than we currently are.

Monahan, 1st, Coronato for Miller = Good
Monahan, 1st for Kadri = Catastrophic

Alrighty

[Monahammer]

Pepsi inaccurately quoting something and presenting it as settled fact?!!?! What shocking behavior.

I never said once that it was a good trade, I just said it probably would result in a better outcome than what we had. I stand by that after thinking about it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Monahan, 1st, Coronato for Miller = Good
Monahan, 1st for Kadri = Catastrophic

Alrighty

But if you think about it, it totally makes sense.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It does not take imagination to google statistics, but just in case you are incapable of this type of rational thought:
You want your #1 Center to produce points
Kadri has 198 in 246 games
Miller has 255 points in 234 games

So almost a full Kadri season worth of production in points separating them. JT Miller also has better advanced metrics. Also dragged a team deep in the playoffs. Then was traded this year for a 1st + Chytil + ____. Likely more than Kadri will go for (if we can even trade him.)

You’re right, if you chose to exclude, or are incapable, of being able to take context into account.

Just because a player is able to put up numbers in one situation is no gaurantee he’s able to replicate that performance in another. See Huberdeau.

Go ahead and hang you hat on that logic, if you like.

[Monahammer]

What context are you talking about? The invented reality Pepsi created that I am replying to? Please, tell me of this context that changes the reality of what I stated. Miller is a more valuable player than Kadri.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by traptor

Some fans are so easy to please.

I can't imagine looking back at the last few years and saying "yes more of that please"

Directed at me?

I like teams that do more than expected. I like good dressing rooms and players that play for each other.

I'm not unaware of standings or prospect pools or team building, but I don't generally watch hockey games thinking DRAFT POSITION when the puck drops.

Part of it is age.

I may have 30 NHL seasons left.

I'm not going to wish them away in hopes of a 7 year rebuild.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What context are you talking about? The invented reality Pepsi created that I am replying to? Please, tell me of this context that changes the reality of what I stated. Miller is a more valuable player than Kadri.

Sure, if you want to play this game.

How many cups does Miller have?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think Backlund is pretty washed. Which is exactly what I'm worried is going to happen to Kadri soon. 35 year olds are usually on the down trajectory of their careers. Their value will be much less soon.

So the defense first shut down center is washed because he was top three on his team in play driving last season?

The guy was 43rd in the league for centers in expected goal splits on an untalented offensive team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No no. Reverse that on Andersson. I did say NOT entertaining Andersson at any cost.

Backlund to pasture was more about his age and making room for young centers. Not his playing metrics.

Apologies!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure, if you want to play this game.

How many cups does Miller have?

Yeah, go ask Kevin Lowe how valuable that metric is.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Pepsi inaccurately quoting something and presenting it as settled fact?!!?! What shocking behavior.

I never said once that it was a good trade, I just said it probably would result in a better outcome than what we had. I stand by that after thinking about it.

Alright, so you proposed a trade that was also terrible and involved Monahan + 1st (plus another asset). You think Miller is a better asset than Kadri + Coronato. Not sure many here would agree with you but have at it.

And you weren’t as against the Kadri signing or the Monahan trade as you’re pretending, so basically we can just acknowledge that things are easier to evaluate in hindsight instead of arguing about how terrible the situation looked at the time and how many better ideas you had?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah, go ask Kevin Lowe how valuable that metric is.

Metric, or fact if you prefer.

Seems like you’d rather stay out of that pool and stick to best guesses in inferences that make sense to you.

[Monahammer]

But you see, mon ami, you were the one who first brought up my other trade proposal. I didnt even remember it and wasn't trying to debate it.

Here is my first post, where I agree with exactly what you're saying. In hindsight, it was a bad trade.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How so?

Cap space to sign our best forward... who is a great player, but ultimately hasn't advanced us meaningfully towards winning a cup. And one who isn't interested in being traded which could meaningfully help the team. And who contributes to them not bottoming out.

I think it's one of the worst tactical moves in franchise history when viewed objectively in retrospect. But even at the time it was an absolutely baffling move. We traded a 1st + one of the best centres we ever drafted just to commit huge dollars to a player we didn't need at all.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Metric, or fact if you prefer.

Seems like you’d rather stay out of that pool and stick to best guesses in inferences that make sense to you.

No, I'm happy to talk about this. So, you believe the oilers brain trust is the most well positioned to build a winning franchise because of their overwhelming number of cup victories between them? That's Tier 1 fan talk!!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

But you see, mon ami, you were the one who first brought up my other trade proposal. I didnt even remember it and wasn't trying to debate it.

Here is my first post, where I agree with exactly what you're saying. In hindsight, it was a bad trade.

This is the part that’s silly:

But even at the time it was an absolutely baffling move. We traded a 1st + one of the best centres we ever drafted just to commit huge dollars to a player we didn't need at all.

I mean, who was baffled by it at the time? Not you. You had arguably worse proposals for a very similar type of player (on an expiring contract) including even more assets included.

I don’t think many people were baffled by it. Fine to say it doesn’t look good in hindsight, but “even at the time”? Nah.

[FBI]

Save us Royle

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is the part that’s silly:



I mean, who was baffled by it at the time? Not you. You had arguably worse proposals for a very similar type of player (on an expiring contract) including even more assets included.

I don’t think many people were baffled by it. Fine to say it doesn’t look good in hindsight, but “even at the time”? Nah.

So all of that griping and moaning was about a single, partial line in the post that is aside from the central point?

OK dude. Fill your boots. You can also go back and complain that I aggrandized the word catastrophe as your esteemed colleague did.