[Rumour] Andersson confirms he turned down a "very good" offer from another team

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Ya I wouldn’t really want to move my family to LA either. SJ and Anaheim maybe, but LA is kinda dodgy…

You think the area they would live in would be dodgy?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

It’s a silly thought exercise because it isn’t close to what market prices were at the time. We can look at the prices paid and that gives the best insight to his value (at that time).

Brian Dumoulin had a return of a 2nd and a B prospect.

Jones, Walman, Laughton and Carlo all returned a 1st +. Rasmus would likely fall in this group.

So tell me what your minimum price would have been to move him at the deadline.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by getbak

The reason the players today have the options they do is because their predecessors fought to have them because they didn't like being passed around like a commodity.

Its a league where trades and transactions are a constant occurrence and every time someone has to change addresses.

If you want to be assured that you're more than a commodity, pro hockey probably isnt the right line of business. Teams aren't signing you for intangible qualities. They're signing you for what you bring on the ice, and the rest does factor in but is ultimately secondary.

There are trade offs with this line of work, and if you want the big paychecks it comes with then a bit of realism and adjustment of expectations seems required. Unless you're one of the best in the world, you're goingg to be moved around to places you wouldn't necessarily pick in another circumstance. But you can work with it and maybe even come to like it. Its a short career.

Iginla didn't make a fuss about destinations when he was going to the highest bidder in 2013. He just wanted a shot to compete, and he eventually made it work in Boston. Ras could take notes from the greatest flame.

LA has a nice climate and a competitive team thats only thwarted it seems by Edmonton's existence. Really not a bad proposition at all.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kehatch

All true. But given where the Flames are in the rebuild cycle there is never going to be an overlap that makes sense. Just like it is unlikely we are going to be the last ones at the table for big UFA signings or trade acquisitions. A little self awareness by the team and they can be more proactive rather then letting the players dictate the direction we take.

I think they know where they stand including that he will be leaving and traded at some point. Public comments are likely designed not to tank the player's value.

Furthermore I think the primary interested teams in the summer were those that wanted him for the long-term. As we move into the season that will shift to where he will be viewed more as a rental.

I don't think they are letting the player dictate the direction. I think it's how the market viewed him and how that will start to shift from a player teams wanted to acquire and sign, to a player teams acquire as a rental with a chance to re-sign.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Iginla didn't make a fuss about destinations when he was going to the highest bidder in 2013. He just wanted a shot to compete, and he eventually made it work in Boston. Ras could take notes from the greatest flame.

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What do you mean?
Iginla absolutely made things difficult for the Flames. Including saying he would go to both Boston AND pittsburgh before reversing course last minute and saying "naw - only Pittsburgh". That's why the Flames had to back out of the deal with Boston last minute. It's because Iginla pulled the rug on it.

He did NOT help the Flames in any way, shape or form when they were trading him. 12 looked out for 12.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So tell me what your minimum price would have been to move him at the deadline.

I would have gladly taken the returns that Carlo or Jones got. I would have said Walman as well but not at the cost of helping Edmonton.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rhino

You think the area they would live in would be dodgy?

Well...how do you explain the block of team-owned duplexes in Compton?

"Thanks for joining the Kings, here is your daily-carry piece, your bandana, gold chain and complimentary beaten up old El Camino. Have a nice day! See you at practice!!"

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I would have gladly taken the returns that Carlo or Jones got. I would have said Walman as well but not at the cost of helping Edmonton.

OK that's fair.
So we can agree if they get at least that type of return at some point, then they haven't messed this up?
I think the biggest issue is the risk they are taking on because of an injury and what not.

To be clear though just because those players got those returns doesn't mean Rasmus would have. I think he would have, but we don't know. Those are very different types of player. I would argue similar value, but different types.

But thank you for at least establishing your bar.

[Strange Brew]

So it sounds like LA made him a contract offer. Did Conroy not say that no team has been given permission to talk with Rasmus or am I not remembering correctly?

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So it sounds like LA made him a contract offer. Did Conroy not say that no team has been given permission to talk with Rasmus or am I not remembering correctly?

Ya, I'm still not sure how to interpret the whole thing. Like, did Rasmus get a crazy contract offer, or was he aware what the pieces in the trade offer were?

All academic and curiosity at this point.

I am still holding out hope he'll be moved out for a good return soon... Something, anything, the summer is so long.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK that's fair.
So we can agree if they get at least that type of return at some point, then they haven't messed this up?
I think the biggest issue is the risk they are taking on because of an injury and what not.

To be clear though just because those players got those returns doesn't mean Rasmus would have. I think he would have, but we don't know. Those are very different types of player. I would argue similar value, but different types.

But thank you for at least establishing your bar.

If a return similar to those can be had then no, it won’t be messed up. In my view there’s 2 factors playing against the flames now, injuries (like you mentioned) and time decay. A part of Anderssons value is in his current contract and as time goes on a team trading for him will utilize that contract less and less.

If they can’t trade him before the season starts for a strong return they may as well hold on until the TDL and pray that the market is volatile enough for a good return.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK that's fair.
So we can agree if they get at least that type of return at some point, then they haven't messed this up?
I think the biggest issue is the risk they are taking on because of an injury and what not.

To be clear though just because those players got those returns doesn't mean Rasmus would have. I think he would have, but we don't know. Those are very different types of player. I would argue similar value, but different types.

But thank you for at least establishing your bar.

Time...they've wasted a lot of development time for the picks that will be the centerpiece of any deal.

I wanted him traded at the deadline in 2023...25yr old dman with term left, and coming off two near 50pt seasons ahead of what was reported to be a very strong draft. Any return we get I compare to that

...and now we're here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The returns generally at the 2023 deadline were not great
Are you factoring that in?

[FlamesAddiction]

This is probably something common with players that have some control. It probably just doesn’t get mentioned or reported on.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What do you mean?
Iginla absolutely made things difficult for the Flames. Including saying he would go to both Boston AND pittsburgh before reversing course last minute and saying "naw - only Pittsburgh". That's why the Flames had to back out of the deal with Boston last minute. It's because Iginla pulled the rug on it.

He did NOT help the Flames in any way, shape or form when they were trading him. 12 looked out for 12.

I've heard different stories around that time. I heard something similar to that and i've also heard that the landing spot (bos or pit) was his call.

Don't think it makes a lick of difference either way. He wasnt going for anything that would alter the direction of the team given their lack of a position of leverage. It was B prospects and a late first. Similar as Jbo went for

Still, you didnt get this kind of drama weeks and months out where you have these statements coming out from the player's camp.

Save your energy and dont respond cause I just come by to drop thoughts, I don't care much for what you have to say in response, yet you're always here jumping in with unsolicited comments. Exchange with any one else dude. I rarely care for what you have to say, no offense.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Its a league where trades and transactions are a constant occurrence and every time someone has to change addresses.

If you want to be assured that you're more than a commodity, pro hockey probably isnt the right line of business. Teams aren't signing you for intangible qualities. They're signing you for what you bring on the ice, and the rest does factor in but is ultimately secondary.

There are trade offs with this line of work, and if you want the big paychecks it comes with then a bit of realism and adjustment of expectations seems required. Unless you're one of the best in the world, you're goingg to be moved around to places you wouldn't necessarily pick in another circumstance. But you can work with it and maybe even come to like it. Its a short career.

Iginla didn't make a fuss about destinations when he was going to the highest bidder in 2013. He just wanted a shot to compete, and he eventually made it work in Boston. Ras could take notes from the greatest flame.

LA has a nice climate and a competitive team thats only thwarted it seems by Edmonton's existence. Really not a bad proposition at all.

With NTCs you are not going to be moved to places you don’t want to go.

[Snuffleupagus]

At this point rather than overpaying Andersson or trying to find a team that he'll sign with just take the best deal from a team for his one year of service and let them deal with the headache. Barring an unbelievable first half of the season I doubt he'll bring more at the deadline.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Save your energy and dont respond cause I just come by to drop thoughts, don't care much for what you have to say in response, yet you're always here jumping in with unsolicited comments. Exchange with any one else dude. I rarely care for what you have to say, no offense.

Nothing you’ve revealed about yourself over the years suggests you’re in a place to take anyone being gracious enough to spend energy on you or time socializing with you for granted.

No offence. But if reading responses to your posts is causing you hardship, just don’t post. You’re not doing anyone a favour by posting here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I've heard different stories around that time. I heard something similar to that and i've also heard that the landing spot (bos or pit) was his call.

Don't think it makes a lick of difference either way. He wasnt going for anything that would alter the direction of the team given their lack of a position of leverage. It was B prospects and a late first. Similar as Jbo went for

Still, you didnt get this kind of drama weeks and months out where you have these statements coming out from the player's camp.

Save your energy and dont respond cause I just come by to drop thoughts, I don't care much for what you have to say in response, yet you're always here jumping in with unsolicited comments. Exchange with any one else dude. I rarely care for what you have to say, no offense.

Unsolicited comments?
Dude this is a discussion forum.

[browna]

Andersson had the chance to leave like everyone else did two years ago. He committed to stay and now he wants to go, or get an overpriced long term contract to stay.

This is in no way shape or form the same as Iginla if this drags out. We had the one most incompetent and pompous GM’s in league history running things for those years, and he only reemerged from the OReilly fiasco because he had to get something for Iginla and Bouwmeester. After the way Conroy was treated and forced to basically retire, players wanted nothing to do with him, and ownership and executive management knew they had to cut ties with the guy too…said GM at that point had no one supporting him, so blame for the Iginla saga was placed by said GM on the player out of spite towards the organization more than anything.