08-07-2025, 02:35 PM
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#7161
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
He’d still be a year out with a three year deal.
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You are correct - I had thought he would be 27 at the end of a 3 year contract be he will only be 26.
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08-07-2025, 02:54 PM
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#7162
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
I see while I had neglected to refresh that HLM made all my arguments better than me, lol. Stankoven > Zary, and I actually find it strange that Enoch used the injuries to justify the extended development timeline... that's a negative on Zary's value ultimately.
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It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.
At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.
Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
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08-07-2025, 02:57 PM
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#7163
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Stankoven would go in the 1st round in a redraft, I feel like the "pedigree" is overstated. Stanky's WHL numbers are better than Zary.
Size, yeah, but Zary doesn't really use his anyways so I am not sure it really separates them in value.
Stankoven is also a year younger, and has better AHL numbers.
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I think the point is they aren't that far apart though at the NHL level.
Similar pedigree, similar games played.
If Stankoven is worth 8 x $6M, and Coronato is 7 x $6.5, then it's safe to say 7 or 8 years for $5.5M to $6M would be a fair value long term deal for Zary.
And I'd be fine with the Flames making that bet.
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08-07-2025, 03:00 PM
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#7164
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.
At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.
Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
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Time lost is a negative to Zary. It probably makes it so he doesn’t get the same AAV as Coronato, assuming the same term was signed. I think Stankoven is a great comparable for Zary in terms of point production.
Either you take the 8 year, 6m AAV deal or bet on yourself and get a Perfetti-like bridge (3.25m x 2).
Last edited by ForeverFlameFan; 08-07-2025 at 03:03 PM.
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08-07-2025, 03:10 PM
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#7165
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.
At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.
Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
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I disagree with your assessment of Zary/Stankoven, but I can see that we are at an impasse. The AHL numbers at the least show the ability to perform against men, so invalidate some of the size argument.
I actually agree with your last comment, but probably in the exact opposite sense as you. I think we are pumping too much hope into Coronato right now. I hope that he steps up in a big way this season.
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08-07-2025, 03:14 PM
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#7166
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.
At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.
Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
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I think size is next to negligible when it comes to Zary's value. It's not like he uses whatever size he has.
I would wager it's near unanimous across the league that Stankoven is the better/more coveted player.
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08-07-2025, 03:29 PM
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#7167
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Not hockey related.
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So you're taking a vacation with the family?
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08-07-2025, 03:39 PM
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#7168
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Dion
So you're taking a vacation with the family?

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Sec214 account closure.
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08-07-2025, 03:44 PM
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#7169
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Franchise Player
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New gig?
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08-07-2025, 03:54 PM
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#7170
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sec214
Sec214 account closure.
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08-07-2025, 03:54 PM
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#7171
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
New gig?
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08-07-2025, 04:21 PM
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#7172
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Not sure if it was the constant harassment from a handful of accounts that irritate a lot of people on this forum or the disclosure that someone continues to take this info and throw it on Twitter but I do understand where Sec is possibly coming from (who knows maybe it so completely unrelated?)
I always appreciate the nuggets of info
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08-07-2025, 04:26 PM
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#7173
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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See you in a month Sec215
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08-07-2025, 04:31 PM
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#7174
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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This is why we can't have fun or nice things. Always has to be someone pissing on the parade.
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08-07-2025, 04:42 PM
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#7175
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by dammage79
This is why we can't have fun or nice things. Always has to be someone pissing on the parade.
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Tis better to have been GIFed and lost than never to have been GIFed at all.
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08-07-2025, 05:14 PM
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#7176
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#1 Goaltender
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Thank God DreDayPucks has been such a wonderful contributor to this site throughout his multiple banned accounts. A beloved member of the site, surely.
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08-07-2025, 05:23 PM
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#7177
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
@Bingo

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Originally Posted by Sec214
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Originally Posted by Sec214
Sec214 account closure.
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Originally Posted by Sec214
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I mean come on guy.
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08-07-2025, 05:49 PM
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#7178
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Burning Beard
Thank God DreDayPucks has been such a wonderful contributor to this site throughout his multiple banned accounts. A beloved member of the site, surely.
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Yeah, I know. I’ll for sure come here zero times a day now that he has chased the insiders off.
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08-07-2025, 06:02 PM
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#7179
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by BigThief
I mean come on guy.
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I’m not happy about being a source of fuel for the hot fire that users throw at each other around here. So I’ve decided to no longer contribute my information going forward.
My choice.
Not X stuff. (dgaf)
Not the haters. (Dgaf)
I’ll still be on CP, doing my own thing talking about how much I hate Huberdeau or how I want to tank commander 5 star general but don’t be looking for any scoops of ice cream.
I will refrain from posting cryptic gifs in this thread to avoid any confusion.
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08-07-2025, 06:04 PM
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#7180
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
See you in a month Sec215
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EdsBoxSeats
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