The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Locke

It just always makes me laugh at the chuckleheads...

"oh NO! Cars are too dangerous to be operated by mere mortals! We must let the machines take over for our own safety!!!"

Yeah? Hows that going for you?

Driving is not that hard.

Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis. If something can reduce road fatalities, it will be a massive breakthrough in human wellbeing.

This is also a multi-pronged problem, and Helsinki made it a full year without a single traffic related fatality:

https://traveltomorrow.com/helsinki-...s-in-one-year/

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Excellent. Hopefully the lawsuits continue to pile up.

Imagine being a Tesla lawyer in the middle of a case trying to convince a court the website fine print clarifies the name FSD as driver assistance, not cars driving themselves, and then your boss tweets this





"Mother ####er! I'm trying to defend you here!"

[Fuzz]

Sounds like Grok can not only effortlessly generate AI videos, it can also generate lawsuits.

The “spicy’ mode for Grok’s new generative AI video tool feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen. While other video generators like Google’s Veo and OpenAI’s Sora have safeguards in place to prevent users from creating NSFW content and celebrity deepfakes, Grok Imagine is happy to do both simultaneously. In fact, it didn’t hesitate to spit out fully uncensored topless videos of Taylor Swift the very first time I used it — without me even specifically asking the bot to take her clothes off.

https://www.theverge.com/report/7189...deepfake-nudes


Dirty by default.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis. If something can reduce road fatalities, it will be a massive breakthrough in human wellbeing.

This is also a multi-pronged problem, and Helsinki made it a full year without a single traffic related fatality:

https://traveltomorrow.com/helsinki-...s-in-one-year/

Elon idiocy aside, autonomous driving will be the norm sooner or later.
Humans are terrible drivers and with cell phone distraction and general disregard for others, it seems to be getting worse.

Commercial vehicles going driverless makes sense for massive economic reasons as well.
This will be a thing whether Tesla leads it or someone else.

[Drak]

Seems automated driving is a potential disaster for hacking, terrorism and possible computer failure though, no? Maybe I’ve watched too many sci fi flicks.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Drak

Seems automated driving is a potential disaster for hacking, terrorism and possible computer failure though, no? Maybe I’ve watched too many sci fi flicks.

So is basically everything.

You can now shut down the electricity grid, medical equipment, water systems, people's home security cameras, fighter jets etc. if there's a vulnerability.

If you can hack a car today, you can already pin the throttle or slam on the brakes if it's equipped with cruise control, or yank the wheel for anything with lane assist.

I don't think self driving increases the exposure much, really.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do on a regular basis. If something can reduce road fatalities, it will be a massive breakthrough in human wellbeing.

This is also a multi-pronged problem, and Helsinki made it a full year without a single traffic related fatality:

https://traveltomorrow.com/helsinki-...s-in-one-year/

That article does not in any way mention anything regarding automated driving. So...humans were perfectly capable of driving themselves and not hurting other humans in the process.

[Fuzz]

The worst part of autonomy will be when companies realize they have a captive audience and full control of audio volume and screen display. You'll be wishing for a hacker to save/crash you at that point.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Locke

That article does not in any way mention anything regarding automated driving. So...humans were perfectly capable of driving themselves and not hurting other humans in the process.

What Helsinki did will do nothing for our fairly regular highway deaths.

Multi-pronged solutions aren't successful ignoring very important prongs.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Locke

That article does not in any way mention anything regarding automated driving. So...humans were perfectly capable of driving themselves and not hurting other humans in the process.

Maybe the Finns, but can we extrapolate that to say...Florida?

Average folks driving aside; the transport industry is one of the largest industries on earth.
Autonomous transport trucks that can drive 24/7 (aside from restocking/charging) and don't need a paid driver who has to stop and sleep is a no brainer application if/when this technology advances enough.

Driverless Ubers where you can send your own Tesla out and make money from it while you sit at home/work is also an application people will be all over.

As much as I can't stand Elon, I'm not writing off that Tesla could be a kingpin in these spaces. Might actually be a good time to buy into the company while his antics overshadow these applications which are coming.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Maybe the Finns, but can we extrapolate that to say...Florida?

Average folks driving aside; the transport industry is one of the largest industries on earth.
Autonomous transport trucks that can drive 24/7 (aside from restocking/charging) and don't need a paid driver who has to stop and sleep is a no brainer application if/when this technology advances enough.

Driverless Ubers where you can send your own Tesla out and make money from it while you sit at home/work is also an application people will be all over.

As much as I can't stand Elon, I'm not writing off that Tesla could be a kingpin in these spaces. Might actually be a good time to buy into the company while his antics overshadow these applications which are coming.

Naw, this is never going to be a thing for anything other than people running it as a business. And then they'll quickly find out that Tesla takes so much of a cut it won't be worth it. You want to risk your car ending up taking home a bunch of drunks? The daily cleaning and charging? Ordinary people are not going to do this.

Tesla are way behind autonomous semis, which some companies are already running. Tesla announced a semi over half a decade ago, and no one but Pepsi can even buy them. And Autonomous? No, not even close.

They have the same number of miles driven in a regulated environment(public roads) without a safety monitor as the did a decade ago. Zero. Meanwhile, Waymo is all over the place doing what Tesla has convinced rubes they'd be doing five years ago. Other companies are also ahead.

They have no solution to the disastrous decision of going end to end AI on low end hardware, and have the same autonomous problems they had five years ago that this was supposed to solve.

And the robots? Ya, that's the next grift. Millions in 2026! They can't even make the hand work.

Go ahead and gamble on their shares if you want, which are already trading so far out of the logical stratosphere, you'd need a Starship to get close. Why? Well, people insist it's the future value of Tesla. But if that justifies the share price, it is already factored in, and then some.

Most importantly, you fund a Nazi racist bigot who lies about being good at video games, and there is no getting around that.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Elon idiocy aside, autonomous driving will be the norm sooner or later.
Humans are terrible drivers and with cell phone distraction and general disregard for others, it seems to be getting worse.

Commercial vehicles going driverless makes sense for massive economic reasons as well.
This will be a thing whether Tesla leads it or someone else.

I will name my autonomous vehicle “James.”

Home, James!

[Fuzz]

How can anyone with an ounce of brain matter think Elon is an honest person? There is zero chance Starship flies to Mars any time soon. It hasn't even reached orbit, the last few tries have exploded, and will require a so far undesigned, unbuilt, untested in space refuelling system that no one has ever done before and has loads of known and unknown challenges, needing around 10 launches for propellant. But ya, in a year the rocket with an autonomous robot that doesn't exist is going to go to Mars.


I think he's still doing the ketamine, guys.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

I will name my autonomous vehicle “James.”

Home, James!

"Neverrrrr!"

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Autonomous transport trucks that can drive 24/7 (aside from restocking/charging) and don't need a paid driver who has to stop and sleep is a no brainer application if/when this technology advances enough.

I still think the amount of additional liability when accidents inevitably happen are going to deter widespread use for a long long time. From a litigation perspective operator error is usually a nice easy out for the shipping/delivery companies.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How can anyone with an ounce of brain matter think Elon is an honest person? There is zero chance Starship flies to Mars any time soon. It hasn't even reached orbit, the last few tries have exploded, and will require a so far undesigned, unbuilt, untested in space refuelling system that no one has ever done before and has loads of known and unknown challenges, needing around 10 launches for propellant. But ya, in a year the rocket with an autonomous robot that doesn't exist is going to go to Mars.


I think he's still doing the ketamine, guys.

He technically could be not lying... he just needs to launch a ship that is pointed at Mars. The ship does not need to make it out of Earth's orbit or actually arrive at Mars.

As long as he gets enough government funding, and deregulation, he could meet his timelines in a reckless and wasteful way.

If the ship blows up then he won't have to answer any questions about the "robot" sitting in the pilot's seat not doing anything.