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Old 07-31-2025, 10:19 PM   #6681
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Well said.

So let’s try a new trade proposal for Andersson just for fun. Detroit is a team that intrigues me as a trade partner for a few reasons.

1. They should be desperate to make the playoffs after this long.
2. They need a veteran top 4 right shot defenceman.
3. They have a pretty long history of Swedish players in their organization so maybe they would hope to have a chance to extend him if they have some success next year.
4. They have a decent crop of picks, prospects and young players.
5. They have one particular prospect that I would covet the most in an Andersson trade - Nate Danielson.

I know it’s highly unlikely that Detroit will consider trading him, but I’m wondering what a trade with Andersson and Danielson as the centrepieces would look like. Others on here have said Yzerman is very high on Danielson so it’s likely a futile exercise but it’s the middle of summer so here goes:

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Andersson (50% retained) + 2nd round pick
To Calgary:
Nate Danielson

Who says no? (Besides Andersson who likely has Detroit on his NTC)

Pros for a Detroit: they make a trade that gives them a real improvement next year. They seem so close to being a playoff team but just can’t take that next step. I think Andersson could be a big piece for them to do that. If it doesn’t work out and it looks like he won’t sign an extension, Detroit could trade him at the deadline likely for a 1st + 2nd + B-prospect.

Cons for Detroit: They lose a former top 10 pick for a player that could be a long shot to re-sign. It would be a huge gamble for them - but their 8 year old building has not seen a single playoff game so they should be desperate.

Pros for Calgary: They get a big, smooth skating young centre prospect who is potentially NHL-ready and was drafted 2 years ago at 10th overall. Bedard said he was the toughest player to face in junior. Drafted for his 200 foot game. Projections in his draft year compared him to players like Horvat. He’s also an Alberta kid.

Cons for Calgary: Danielson’s offensive numbers in junior and in the AHL are not as impressive given his draft position. The flames are putting all their eggs into one basket in this trade scenario where they are getting no picks back in an Andersson trade and the centrepiece is a prospect who has not played in the NHL yet and whose offensive numbers currently suggest a 3rd line center more than a top 2 centre.

There are risks for both sides in this trade. Probably more for Detroit I guess.
I would do it.
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Old 07-31-2025, 10:24 PM   #6682
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Id do it for Danielson or Kasper. They can choose.
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Feel like Calgary would have to part with more than a second to make that trade happen.
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Feel like Calgary would have to part with more than a second to make that trade happen.
It’s possible. I would try to add without making that a 1st round pick. Maybe something like this:

To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained) + 2026 2nd round pick + Gridin
To Calgary: Nate Danielson

I can’t tell if my view of Danielson is skewed because I really wanted the flames to get him in the 2023 draft or if he is as highly regarded by others. Did a quick look at some top NHL-affiliated prospect lists and he isn’t high on many lists - he doesn’t make the top 50 on some. It’s funny because I would have thought Calum Ritchie would have been a more valuable prospect at this point but he was included along with multiple picks to get Nelson as a rental.
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Old 07-31-2025, 10:49 PM   #6686
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It’s possible. I would try to add without making that a 1st round pick. Maybe something like this:

To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained) + 2026 2nd round pick + Gridin
To Calgary: Nate Danielson

I can’t tell if my view of Danielson is skewed because I really wanted the flames to get him in the 2023 draft or if he is as highly regarded by others. Did a quick look at some top NHL-affiliated prospect lists and he isn’t high on many lists - he doesn’t make the top 50 on some. It’s funny because I would have thought Calum Ritchie would have been a more valuable prospect at this point but he was included along with multiple picks to get Nelson as a rental.
I agree with everything in this post, but I think adding Gridin would be too much. Detroit has a ton of really good pieces if they aren't willing to part with Danielson.
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Old 07-31-2025, 10:55 PM   #6687
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Flames should get Soderblom tossed in and play him and Klapka together.
It probably wouldn’t work but it would be an awesome visual
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Id do it for Danielson or Kasper. They can choose.
Pft holy fack I’m not going to even let myself pretend there’s a possibility at either of these guys. That would be fantastic.
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Feel like Calgary would have to part with more than a second to make that trade happen.
Yes, the proposal also included Andersson with retention. It is oddly familiar how shallow the insight is of your drive by one-line reply.

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Well said.

So let’s try a new trade proposal for Andersson just for fun. Detroit is a team that intrigues me as a trade partner for a few reasons.

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I think the value would be close if Andersson comes with the extension in place and, depending on how you view Larkin and Kasper for the next 6 years, Danielson could be expendable.

The problem with the Red Wings and the Flames as trade partners is that the list of assets that the Flames would want is basically Danielson and Kasper. Whereas their counter offer is likely to be wingers or a 2nd round LD that we do not want or need.

It is very similar to the trade analysis with the Stars.
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It’s possible. I would try to add without making that a 1st round pick. Maybe something like this:

To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained) + 2026 2nd round pick + Gridin
To Calgary: Nate Danielson

I can’t tell if my view of Danielson is skewed because I really wanted the flames to get him in the 2023 draft or if he is as highly regarded by others. Did a quick look at some top NHL-affiliated prospect lists and he isn’t high on many lists - he doesn’t make the top 50 on some. It’s funny because I would have thought Calum Ritchie would have been a more valuable prospect at this point but he was included along with multiple picks to get Nelson as a rental.

This is a joke right?
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Old 08-01-2025, 03:05 AM   #6691
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I agree with everything in this post, but I think adding Gridin would be too much. Detroit has a ton of really good pieces if they aren't willing to part with Danielson.
Probably right with Gridin. He’s a first round pick that has shown good development. Maybe this then:

To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained) + 2nd round pick + conditional 3rd round pick (becomes a 2nd if the flames make the playoffs)

To Calgary: Nate Danielson
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Might be just me and I admit I'm not a Nostradamus but I don't see Nate Danielson as the answer this team needs, if it's Detroit I would target Marco Kasper for a good looking 2-way center with great compete.
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Id do it for Danielson or Kasper. They can choose.
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Pft holy fack I’m not going to even let myself pretend there’s a possibility at either of these guys. That would be fantastic.
Wouldn't happen, easy peasy.
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Wouldn't happen, easy peasy.
I agree, but after seeing Brock Nelson traded for Calum Ritchie and a first- anything is possible in a potential trade for Andersson.
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Probably right with Gridin. He’s a first round pick that has shown good development. Maybe this then:

To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained) + 2nd round pick + conditional 3rd round pick (becomes a 2nd if the flames make the playoffs)

To Calgary: Nate Danielson
Yeah, the conditional 3rd should do it instead of Gridin who already wasn't going to do it, lol.
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Might be just me and I admit I'm not a Nostradamus but I don't see Nate Danielson as the answer this team needs, if it's Detroit I would target Marco Kasper for a good looking 2-way center with great compete.
There are many who see Danielson as a lackluster prospect.
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There are many who see Danielson as a lackluster prospect.
Yeah, I wouldn’t want the Flames to add a tonne to Andersson to get Danielson. I think he is still carrying to much value to some just because he was a top ten pick.
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It’s possible. I would try to add without making that a 1st round pick. Maybe something like this:

To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained) + 2026 2nd round pick + Gridin
To Calgary: Nate Danielson

I can’t tell if my view of Danielson is skewed because I really wanted the flames to get him in the 2023 draft or if he is as highly regarded by others. Did a quick look at some top NHL-affiliated prospect lists and he isn’t high on many lists - he doesn’t make the top 50 on some. It’s funny because I would have thought Calum Ritchie would have been a more valuable prospect at this point but he was included along with multiple picks to get Nelson as a rental.
I would pass. Danielson has Michael Rasmussen written all over himself for me. Often big centers are just that, they are big and they are centers.

I would say the value for Danielson is more like Honzek and a 2nd.
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I am always amazed at how much value Flames fans place on other teams' prospects.

Danielson has shown nothing that would suggest he's worth what some of you are proposing. And then others are saying it's no where near enough, LOL.

He had 67 pts in 56 games in his D+1 season in the Dub - worse production than Gridin, Battaglia, Mews and Brzustewicz in their D+1 years. Then he had an NHLe of 22 in the A last year - the Flames had at least 9 prospects that had an NHLe over 30 last year.

And some of you want to offer Andersson (retained) + Gridin + 2nd?

Other than being a C, explain why you think he's worth more than Gridin straight up?
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Danielson is very overrated here.


Maybe Detroit values him highly and won't trade hom but he's not worth Andersson + a good pick for us either.
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