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Old 07-30-2025, 12:00 PM   #6521
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It's the same thing in the context of whether he is going full scale rebuild or not.

Offering him (and Hanifin) a potentially viable contract is not going full scale rebuild.

Which was the premise being debated.
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If that's the case, no team ever has done a "full scale rebuild"
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Old 07-30-2025, 12:06 PM   #6522
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Would love to make a trade for McTavish but it would be so awesome if the flames could somehow get away with making the trade without giving up Zary or a 1st in 2026. The 3 team deal with Dallas is the best way to make that happen IMO.

To Dallas: Andersson (50% retained) + Coleman (50% retained) + 2nd round pick
To Anaheim: Robertson
To Calgary: McTavish + Lebushkin

Dallas gets exactly what they need in cap relief, a top pairing defenceman and depth scoring. Anaheim gets the best player in the deal who is only 25 years old and he’s a local kid. Calgary gets the most raw player but he’s a center and is only 22.
I like this idea the best. I would rather RS on both players to keep the 1st.

Ras and Markstrom RS would be off the books next summer so 2 slots open up.

If Ras and Coleman are traded, I don't see much potential at the deadline to trade anyone away and RS anyways so really wouldn't need that slot until next off season or trade deadline.

The Stars gain a body and cap space, but their forwards would look thin without Robertson and Coleman in. But the extra asset and cap make them a candidate to make another big splash at the deadline.
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Old 07-30-2025, 12:08 PM   #6523
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Frost trade.

Tried to re sign Lindholm before Lindholm thankfully said no.

Tried to re sign Hanifin before thankfully he said no as well.
Added young C depth for cheap on a team dying for C depth.

Hanifin fits the age group still and would have been a movable asset for the duration of the contract, with more value since he would have been locked up and not a rental.

You keep banging the same drum about Lindholm saying no, but do you know who tells a different story? Elias Lindholm.

https://www.nhl.com/news/elias-lindh...er-after-trade

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“I had this in the back of my mind for a long time, so I’m kind of happy it’s over with
So Lindholm knew for a long time tuat season he was being traded.

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Flames general manager Craig Conroy, who “kind of said that this is the way it’s going.” But Lindholm didn’t know when or where he would be moved. Lindholm said he “was always willing to stay” in Calgary, where he played six seasons.
Lindholm was willing to stay, Conroy told his agent this was the way it's going.

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“I tried to work it out, but this is the business side of it. Calgary wanted to obviously do something. … I was prepared, but, at the same time, every time you’re traded, you’re kind of shocked anyways.
Calgary wanted to do something meaning trade him. Lindholm tried to work it out but knew Calgary wanted to do something and was prepared for the trade.

So can you please stop this false narrative that Lindholm saved Conroy from himself?
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Old 07-30-2025, 12:11 PM   #6524
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Yeah I think a big part of the rumours of trying to re-sign some of those guys was just to try to make sure the market paid a bigger price.

If you just say "We are moving these guys no matter what" you tend to get a lower return than if the option of re-signing them at least appears to be on the table.
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Added young C depth for cheap on a team dying for C depth.

Hanifin fits the age group still and would have been a movable asset for the duration of the contract, with more value since he would have been locked up and not a rental.

You keep banging the same drum about Lindholm saying no, but do you know who tells a different story? Elias Lindholm.

https://www.nhl.com/news/elias-lindh...er-after-trade



So Lindholm knew for a long time tuat season he was being traded.



Lindholm was willing to stay, Conroy told his agent this was the way it's going.



Calgary wanted to do something meaning trade him. Lindholm tried to work it out but knew Calgary wanted to do something and was prepared for the trade.

So can you please stop this false narrative that Lindholm saved Conroy from himself?
But that doesn't support their narrative! How dare you bully them!
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But that doesn't support their narrative! How dare you bully them!
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Well, we definitely do not want to make the playoffs this year. That would be an absolute disaster for us long term with not getting a high draft pick.
lol you are a jackass
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Old 07-30-2025, 12:48 PM   #6528
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for the 5000th? time Lindholm made the Flames a counter offer that they turned down. Flames were willing to keep Lindholm at their price, why say otherwise and kill all value?

Flames said no to his initial ask and no to his counter
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Speaking of Anaheim rumors, I have read that defensemen Olen Zellweger and Pavel Mintyukov are not happy with their playing time, or their place in the organization, and may want a change….
Dallas: Andersson, Coleman (50%)
Calgary: McTavish, Zelleweger/Mintyukov
Anaheim: Robertson, Poirier, 2026 2nd (CGY)

I know 3 ways never happen, but this makes way too much sense for all 3 teams.

Anaheim could deploy a line of Robertson - Gauthier - Granlund and have Granlund as the center until Gauthier is comfortable enough with it.

Locks in a top end top 4 D group and also get Coleman for 2 years at 2.45m

Calgary gets a great shot at a top 6 center and a top 4 D too. Win-win-win imo.

I just hope Calgary can at least figure something out with Anaheim if anything. Would even offer Zary + Vegas 1st + something else to grab McT and one of the young top 4 LDs.
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Dallas: Andersson, Coleman (50%)
Calgary: McTavish, Zelleweger/Mintyukov
Anaheim: Robertson, Poirier, 2026 2nd (CGY)

I know 3 ways never happen, but this makes way too much sense for all 3 teams.

Anaheim could deploy a line of Robertson - Gauthier - Granlund and have Granlund as the center until Gauthier is comfortable enough with it.

Locks in a top end top 4 D group and also get Coleman for 2 years at 2.45m

Calgary gets a great shot at a top 6 center and a top 4 D too. Win-win-win imo.

I just hope Calgary can at least figure something out with Anaheim if anything. Would even offer Zary + Vegas 1st + something else to grab McT and one of the young top 4 LDs.
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Added young C depth for cheap on a team dying for C depth.

Hanifin fits the age group still and would have been a movable asset for the duration of the contract, with more value since he would have been locked up and not a rental.

You keep banging the same drum about Lindholm saying no, but do you know who tells a different story? Elias Lindholm.

https://www.nhl.com/news/elias-lindh...er-after-trade

Didn’t Conroy also say that early in the year they exchanged numbers and he could see the writing on the wall that Lindholm was going to market?

Both sides use the media in contract negotiations.

So Lindholm knew for a long time tuat season he was being traded.



Lindholm was willing to stay, Conroy told his agent this was the way it's going.



Calgary wanted to do something meaning trade him. Lindholm tried to work it out but knew Calgary wanted to do something and was prepared for the trade.

So can you please stop this false narrative that Lindholm saved Conroy from himself?
Conroy also said in the aftermath that based on early conversations with Lindholm camp, it was clear they were going to market.

I don’t think Lindholm’s quotes here indicate anything that the Flames weren’t willing to extend him. Just maybe not at $9M like he wanted.
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I knew a girl that did FFF and FMM. She prefered FFF because there was no way she could get pregnant in those.

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If that's the case, no team ever has done a "full scale rebuild"
Chicago is in one now.

Calgary has offered long term contracts to Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson.
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lol you are a jackass
How is what I said wrong? Making the playoffs when we need to be getting a top pick to draft some elite talent would be a disaster.

Especially when there is a generational player available, and we are early into a rebuild/retool. I am not interested in sneaking into the playoffs to get destroyed by elite teams. We need to draft some high end talent.
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Chicago is in one now.

Calgary has offered long term contracts to Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson.
Chicago loved their rebuild so much that they rebuilt their rebuild.
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How is what I said wrong? Making the playoffs when we need to be getting a top pick to draft some elite talent would be a disaster.

Especially when there is a generational player available, and we are early into a rebuild/retool. I am not interested in sneaking into the playoffs to get destroyed by elite teams. We need to draft some high end talent.
Making the playoffs is never really a disaster.
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Chicago is in one now.

Calgary has offered long term contracts to Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson.
This is correct. I don't know why people are so upset when it is brought up.

We offered these players extensions. They declined. Which means we were trying to still compete. You don't offer Lindholm a contract if the plan is to not be competitive.
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This is correct. I don't know why people are so upset when it is brought up.

We offered these players extensions. They declined. Which means we were trying to still compete. You don't offer Lindholm a contract if the plan is to not be competitive.

Or you offer him a contract that increases his value and that is why he declined. Andersson on the rumored offer would have more value.
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Chicago is in one now.

Calgary has offered long term contracts to Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson.
Chicago signed Bertuzzi, Donato, Foligno, and Teravainen to 3+ years. I bet they extend Dickinson, too.
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Chicago is in one now.

Calgary has offered long term contracts to Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson.
Chicago acquired Seth Jones long term (albeit they backed off on that one).. Signed Ryan Donato 4 years. Signed Bertuzzi for 4 years. Teravainen for 3. Signed McCabe and Purphy for 4 years. Traded for Sam Lafferty. Acquired Burakovsky. All during this "teardown period".

BTW, tell me what the term was that was offered to Lindholm (Hanifin is plenty youn g enough for an 8 year deal on a rebuilding team).
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