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Old 07-29-2025, 01:38 PM   #1841
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Felt like an intentional little dig when he was talking about being in the Sens alumni group and talking about his optimism with the org - "You know they got Stevie Staios as GM - former Flame!".

Love the whole interview though, I thought it might be a little stale since it seems like they interview Big Ern every summer but was not disappointed.
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Old 07-29-2025, 01:59 PM   #1842
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I respect his take on fighting in thr league. He's been through it, it had its time and era, and it's time to put an end to it. Its best to hear it form a person who's actually played a major role in. With that said, I will miss it, sometimes.

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interesting. I haven't had time to listen to it. What did he say?
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Really enjoyed the interview. Big Ern is well spoken.
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Our interview with Sutter goes live at 5:

https://youtu.be/3JwflvM6gyQ?si=VqZhn8js3iSGm0RF
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Big Ern interview was awesome
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Listened to the Big Ern session. Great interview. Super entertaining.
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Old 07-30-2025, 02:17 AM   #1847
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Big Ern interview was awesome
Sure was, no CTE with him, hard skull as he seemingly remembers everything.
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Old 07-30-2025, 09:09 AM   #1848
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interesting. I haven't had time to listen to it. What did he say?
He said it's time for fighting to leave the game.

Him and Rhett are both a bit torn because they LOVED the intensity of battles that would spark fights, but neither of them want that for their kids.
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He said it's time for fighting to leave the game.

Him and Rhett are both a bit torn because they LOVED the intensity of battles that would spark fights, but neither of them want that for their kids.
The ‘torn’ comment is really the mic drop statement for me.

When your 17 year old is playing Jr, and gets in a scuffle with a guy who is about to age out, it changes your perception.
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Old 07-30-2025, 10:15 AM   #1850
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Great interview with Big Ern. Hilarious story how Sutter would rip on players who chatted with opponents during the pregame warmup.
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My own views have evolved a bit over the years.

Staged fights are pretty much gone from the game now. The kind of fights where a player has to ‘answer the bell’ for a hard but legal hit were always stupid and need to be banished as well. The dedicated face-puncher on the roster is pretty much gone. These are definite areas of progress.

I'd be happy enough to see fighting be an automatic misconduct, with the possibility of suspension by DOPS for deliberately instigating (rather than the minor penalty that the referees never want to call). In a heavy, fast contact sport, there will always be times when two players simply lose their temper and throw punches, but there's no good reason to consider that a legitimate part of the game.

The one thing I'd like to see is referee's discretion to make the misconduct 10 minutes if a player was acting in self-defence, or a game if he wasn't. That would discourage coaches from sending out a 4th-line mook to try to tangle with an opposing star and take him out of the game, which would otherwise be a temptation.
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My own views have evolved a bit over the years.

Staged fights are pretty much gone from the game now. The kind of fights where a player has to ‘answer the bell’ for a hard but legal hit were always stupid and need to be banished as well. The dedicated face-puncher on the roster is pretty much gone. These are definite areas of progress.

I'd be happy enough to see fighting be an automatic misconduct, with the possibility of suspension by DOPS for deliberately instigating (rather than the minor penalty that the referees never want to call). In a heavy, fast contact sport, there will always be times when two players simply lose their temper and throw punches, but there's no good reason to consider that a legitimate part of the game.

The one thing I'd like to see is referee's discretion to make the misconduct 10 minutes if a player was acting in self-defence, or a game if he wasn't. That would discourage coaches from sending out a 4th-line mook to try to tangle with an opposing star and take him out of the game, which would otherwise be a temptation.
The NLL provides a good template for how to handle.

The basics of the rule are this:

Rule 80: FIGHTING
A fight is an incident where at least one player is
penalized for throwing a punch, punches or blows at an
opposing player. Referees have the discretion to assess
minor penalties for roughing (see roughing rule) or a
major penalty for fighting based on the degree of violence
of the punches or blows thrown at an opposing player
along with any other appropriate penalties. Players who
engage to fight shall be assessed appropriate penalties.
The referee is provided very wide latitude in the penalties,
which he may impose under this Rule. This is done
intentionally to enable him to differentiate between the
obvious degrees of responsibility of the participants either
for starting the fighting or persisting in continuing the
fighting. The discretion provided should be exercised
realistically.
It is the intent and purpose of this Rule that the referee
shall impose the “major and a game misconduct” penalty
in all cases where the instigator or retaliator of the fight is
the aggressor and is plainly doing so for the purpose of
intimidation or punishment.
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Referees are directed to employ every means provided
by these rules to stop “brawling”.
Unwilling combatant: For definition purposes an ‘unwilling
combatant’ is a player who attempts to defend himself
against his opponent by protecting himself from incoming
blows and or punches. The unwilling combatant will use
his best efforts to deflect any incoming blows or punches.
The unwilling combatant criteria will include not dropping
his gloves, not taking his helmet off on his own accord, or
any other actions that would constitute the player being
deemed as willing to engage in the fight.
Also, the unwilling combatant does not initially counter
with any return punches or blows. The unwilling
combatant may be subject to appropriate penalties, if
any, for his actions.
Such suspensions and fines shall be subject to review by
the League that shall have the right to confirm, mitigate
or increase the suspensions and fines assessed.

But there are a lot of nuances and additional rules. The net impact has been that fighting has almost vanished from the sport. There is the occasional fight, but VERY few because the consequences are severe enough.

https://www.nll.com/wp-content/uploa...ook.Final_.pdf
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I think you also have to target it at the developmental level. Teach youth players and above that it isn't acceptable. It doesn't help that when a kid gets into a fight, their team mates congratulate them, fans cheer them, and the coaches probably praise them. It's a hard thing to stamp out of the NHL when players are coming into the league with the mindset that fighting is cool and something that earns you admiration. Having said that, I think the NHL likes that it gets fans into the game more and they probably don't really want to see it gone completely.
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^ I mean, consider the kid that thinks he is defending his team on the whole. And the team feels like he has their back and often is taking action they appreciate. In the heat of the game, instruct them to shun him?

It’s a little more nuanced than that
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I think you also have to target it at the developmental level. Teach youth players and above that it isn't acceptable. It doesn't help that when a kid gets into a fight, their team mates congratulate them, fans cheer them, and the coaches probably praise them. It's a hard thing to stamp out of the NHL when players are coming into the league with the mindset that fighting is cool and something that earns you admiration. Having said that, I think the NHL likes that it gets fans into the game more and they probably don't really want to see it gone completely.
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^ I mean, consider the kid that thinks he is defending his team on the whole. And the team feels like he has their back and often is taking action they appreciate. In the heat of the game, instruct them to shun him?

It’s a little more nuanced than that
What developmental leagues are you talking about where these kids are fighting?
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What developmental leagues are you talking about where these kids are fighting?
WHL for one. Granted, I don't go to a lot of games. I went to one Giants game last year and there happened to be a pretty big fight. Watching adults go nuts while kids hit each other in the head didn't really leave me a good feeling.
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WHL for one. Granted, I don't go to a lot of games. I went to one Giants game last year and there happened to be a pretty big fight. Watching adults go nuts while kids hit each other in the head didn't really leave me a good feeling.
Yeah, I would have trouble seeing teenagers doing that to each other knowing what we know now about concussions and mild traumatic brain injuries.
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At the junior level, it seems to me it would be more useful to teach players how to block a punch than deliver one. Thai kickboxers are taught from the beginning to protect their heads, and suffer a lot fewer brain injuries than Western boxers. Defending against punches without punching back is a skill in itself, and a useful one in a contact sport where some of the players have short fuses.
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WHL for one. Granted, I don't go to a lot of games. I went to one Giants game last year and there happened to be a pretty big fight. Watching adults go nuts while kids hit each other in the head didn't really leave me a good feeling.
Well major junior isn’t exactly what I’d call developmental leagues for kids where youth should be taught that fighting isn’t acceptable through withholding of praise.

It’s already elite hockey at that point and many of the players are adults. If you don’t want fighting in the WHL, no need to coach them out of it through negative feedback. Just ban it like any other sport.
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Ban it from the kids. Lets the adults fight if they want.
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