2024/2025 English Premier League Thread

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well, Chelsea is just as perplexing. We know there are violations there, and they admitted it, and still nothing. They owed Roman a ridiculous amount of money, and it was all just washed away as though nothing had happened. It's unbelievable, but at the same time, completely unsurprising that this goes on in plain sight.

What Chelsea are doing is verging on ridiculous with them signing another massive batch of players this summer. they have so many players they will never use. They do sell on one out of every few players they stockpile, but they have destroyed so many careers with second rate loans, having players who would otherwise be stars on second tier premier league clubs play for really poor teams in spain italy and france and not develop to their full potential or worse yet waste away in their bomb squad.

I think the prem should institute a limit on outgoing loans the same way they have a limit on incomings.

Really nip this multi club ownership thing in the bud - that would take away half the power from it, still have transfers to clamp down on but would be a start. The current measures are comical. You have a small Palace getting banned from europe for having one owner with 1/4 board votes own another club, that they've never done business with directly and has since even sold his shares well before the UEFA cup even started, and then you have the fat heroin smuggling pig at Forest pretending to put his shares in a blind trust like he's not controlling the club getting a free pass, while doing dodgy transfer deals with related clubs over and over again. Nevermind the red bull teams playing against each other etc, it sure always looks like the big boys never get penalized and then they selectively make an example of the small community based clubs.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by devo22

I don't have an issue with him saying that. Don't want teams to try to get them on the cheap at the very end of the window.

Arguable that they should just move them on at any cost. Sancho is owed 13 million pounds in wages this season and is available on a free next summer, same for Malacia, 4 million and free next summer. I don't think those two shold be ones where you care too much about the fee if someone is willing to take them and give you anything you are well in the money, there's not much value to protect and the wages off their books would be worth way more than all the office workers they've sacked combined

Garnacho is a bit different as clubs will actually want him IMO

[devo22]

Chelsea have mastered the art of outsmarting PSR rules. They sold their women's team, two hotels and other assets to a sister company to boost profits, and the league didn't care. They signed new players to ridiculous long-term deals in order to amortise their transfer fees over a longer time, and the league eventually limited that to 5 years max. They routinely sell homegrown players (who count as "full profit" sales) to boost their PSR numbers. So even with their spending sprees, they are safe from a PSR standpoint.

Whereas clubs like City have blatantly cheated, Chelsea (in the post-Roman era) have looked for (and found) loopholes to exploit. If you want them to get punished ... don't hold your breath.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by devo22

Chelsea have mastered the art of outsmarting PSR rules. They sold their women's team, two hotels and other assets to a sister company to boost profits, and the league didn't care. They signed new players to ridiculous long-term deals in order to amortise their transfer fees over a longer time, and the league eventually limited that to 5 years max. They routinely sell homegrown players (who count as "full profit" sales) to boost their PSR numbers. So even with their spending sprees, they are safe from a PSR standpoint.

Whereas clubs like City have blatantly cheated, Chelsea (in the post-Roman era) have looked for (and found) loopholes to exploit. If you want them to get punished ... don't hold your breath.

The clubs that have the money and the mega rich owners hire the lawyers and find ways to flaunt the laws, it's just like rich people and taxes.

I just really want to see the leagues clamp down on the abuse of the loan and transfer systems and multi club ownership. If a club can't carry more than 25-ish senior players alot of their shenanigans will be put to bed. They will have to limit their transfer dealings and other clubs will have better players available to them. No more hoarding.

Though they are still really abusing the youth system.... all their "made in Cobham" BS... they just go around poaching other clubs youth players. They just signed Jesse Derry from Palace's academy, second one they've poached in the last year or so. They will be claiming they developed him next year. But at least when those players hit 18 or so if there are outgoing loan limits they will have to permanently move them on or play them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't want to blame fans in full, but I'm going to anyway lol. As long as fans keep watching, paying for the tickets, buying the gear, its a tacit admission they don't care about things changing. If the PL revenue base keeps growing, why would they change anything? The only real way to get their attention and force change is to have the bottom line start to take a hit. But this is where sports leagues leverage fans being addicts to their leagues to refuse to change. Same with poor officiating, why change if the money keeps growing? Change is usually expensive, status quo is not.

I always come back to, I think it was Bayern fans, who a few years ago were playing against Arsenal in the UCL and they brought out the banner criticizing the pricing of tickets. Which...I mean you paid the price for the tickets, which again implies you are ok with it, and then brought out the banner saying "These prices suck!". ####ing hilarious really.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Slava

Then yesterday, out of nowhere, we triggered the £60m release clause for Morgan Gibbs-White from Forest. Huge move for us, and suddenly we’re ambitious! Forest fans are fuming, in part because they sold Elanga to Newcastle already and now lose MGW as well. This happened very fast, with no ITK or anything. Just suddenly we shelled out the cash and had a new player. I’m not sure what’s gotten into Daniel Levy, but maybe he just enjoyed winning a trophy for a change?

yeah, about that ...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1949211433440579683

[MegaErtz]

He's signed a one year extension until June 2028. I think Forest were pissed off that Spurs activated what was supposed to be a confidential release clause, kind of like the time that Arsenal bid forty million plus one pound for Suarez.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

He's signed a one year extension until June 2028. I think Forest were pissed off that Spurs activated what was supposed to be a confidential release clause, kind of like the time that Arsenal bid forty million plus one pound for Suarez.

It wasn’t confidential; it was posted on Twitter a year ago! But whatever…hopefully Levy and Spurs are still going to add some players.

[devo22]

what would be the idea behind a "confidential" release clause anyway? There's no such thing, that makes no sense whatsoever. The agent knows about it and that's all that matters.

[Slava]

Honestly, this is a questionable decision for MGW. Instead of playing Champions League and having a crack at the World Cup squad, he’ll play some Conference League and push out a move to a bigger club for three more years. No idea who thought that this is a good career move for him.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Cause he's probably hoping those City rumors resurface. Although with Cherki there now I kind of doubt it.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Slava

It wasn’t confidential; it was posted on Twitter a year ago! But whatever…hopefully Levy and Spurs are still going to add some players.

Do you think Son will head to LA?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Do you think Son will head to LA?

I don’t know if he’s going to go there, but I think once we do our tour to Korea this summer, he’s gone. Obviously I love the guy, and he’s a club legend, but he’s basically a bench player now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don’t know if he’s going to go there, but I think once we do our tour to Korea this summer, he’s gone. Obviously I love the guy, and he’s a club legend, but he’s basically a bench player now.

What, you think the North is going to abduct him and call him Nos?

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Locke

When in the everloving F### are they going to finally figure out those charges?? Its been over 10 years now!!

Well Everton will get docked points again.

[devo22]

looks like Luis Diaz is indeed going to Bayern Munich. Fee up to €75m, structure of add-ons still to be discussed.

crazy summer for Liverpool. Sucks.

[The Big Chill]

I don’t ever remember a team winning a title and then having this amount of turnover, it’s pretty wild.

[Senator Clay Davis]

They won the title, but they also faded in the second half of the year and, while clearly the best team last season, they were nowhere near as dominant as other recent champions. It was a very down year for the PL last year with Man City's collapse and Arsenal underachieving. With both of them reinforcing, it's smart of Liverpool to not to sit on their hands, even if it is unusually aggressive for a turnover.

[cam_calderon]

Looking likely that they'll get a decent price for Diaz. Can see why they'd want to avoid another Trent situation, but he's only 28. Deserved a new deal on better terms at Liverpool.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I don't want to blame fans in full, but I'm going to anyway lol. As long as fans keep watching, paying for the tickets, buying the gear, its a tacit admission they don't care about things changing. If the PL revenue base keeps growing, why would they change anything? The only real way to get their attention and force change is to have the bottom line start to take a hit. But this is where sports leagues leverage fans being addicts to their leagues to refuse to change. Same with poor officiating, why change if the money keeps growing? Change is usually expensive, status quo is not.

Yeah and the league wants these teams to spend on players in reality. They want to be the best league in the world and have all the best players in the world, even if it means some teams are spending way more than others.

Having stars and big TV deals is more important to the bottom line than the bottom half of the table having a fair shot to win.