Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by heep223

I hope that due to this case young hockey players will think twice about how to treat women and that they can avoid these complicated situations by acting like an adult.

But my gut tells me it’s a fool’s hope

We seem to have too few people nowadays who grasp that it's not exactly a good idea to model your sex life after pornographic videos. Males in their late teens are probably the most poorly equipped to figure that out. Give them a little money and a lot of notoriety, turn them loose without supervision, and – nasty things are liable to happen.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

No, I said the case won't change anyone's behaviour. At least on an individual level. Possibly Hockey Canada and similar organizations will police their players a bit better, but that's really only during the events themselves.

Maybe Hockey Canada, the NHL, and player agents can take a more pragmatic approach?

Maybe just include group sex in the hazardous activities clause of the standard players contract.

One way owners have tried to protect their investment in multimillion dollar players is through the hazardous activities clause: a contractual provision that prohibits players from partaking in certain dangerous activities. While the hazardous activities clause is a logical way to limit avoidable player injury in theory, the current hazardous activities clauses employed by Major League Baseball (MLB), the National Hockey League (NHL), the National Basketball Association (NBA), the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA), and the National Football league (NFL), are plagued by issues. Specifically, they fail to effectuate the parties' intent, and are difficult to interpret and apply.
The purpose of this article is threefold: (1) to offer a brief overview of the hazardous activities clause, including its history, purpose, enforcement, and shortcomings; (2) to demonstrate the difficulty in interpreting and applying the current hazardous activities clauses by applying them to various activities; and (3) to propose the adoption of an improved hazardous activities clause: the abnormally dangerous clause.

The banned activities listed in each league's standard player contract vary from league-to-league, but generally include activities such as skydiving, wrestling, mountain climbing, riding motorcycles, operating aircrafts, and of course, skiing. For example, the current MLB standard player contract includes the following hazardous activities clause:
The Player and the Club recognize and agree that the Player's participation in certain other sports may impair or destroy his ability and skill as a baseball player. Accordingly, the Player agrees that he will not engage in professional boxing or wrestling; and that, except with the written consent of the Club, he will not engage in skiing, auto racing, motorcycle racing, sky diving, or in any game of exhibition of football, soccer, professional league basketball, ice hockey or other sport involving a substantial risk of personal injury. 18

Or maybe just get team approval for group sex before engaging in the activity? I mean, they would have needed it if she asked them to wrestle?

7. The Player and the Club recognize and agree that the Player's participation in other sports may impair or destroy his ability and skill as a hockey Player. Accordingly the Player agrees that he will not during the period of this SPC or during any period when he is obligated under this SPC to enter into a further SPC with the Club engage or participate in football, baseball, softball, hockey, lacrosse, boxing, wrestling or other athletic sport without the written consent of the Club, which consent will not be unreasonably withheld.

As always, there is dumb, then there is hockey dumb, which too frequently is on a different level. Lack of thought is a big part of hockey’s culture problem. After all, 20 years ago this is the same culture who collectively rolled back their wages 20%, lost an entire season of their career while still ultimately getting a salary cap.

Something no other sport has managed to match before or after.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Maybe Hockey Canada, the NHL, and player agents can take a more pragmatic approach?

Maybe just include group sex in the hazardous activities clause of the standard players contract.





Or maybe just get team approval for group sex before engaging in the activity? I mean, they would have needed it if she asked them to wrestle?


As always, there is dumb, then there is hockey dumb, which too frequently is on a different level. Lack of thought is a big part of hockey’s culture problem. After all, 20 years ago this is the same culture who collectively rolled back their wages 20%, lost an entire season of their career while still ultimately getting a salary cap.

Something no other sport has managed to match before or after.

So what would players have to do in that scenario. Call their GM or union rep right before having sex to clear it first? That sounds a little unreasonable. If not hard to manage.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol you’re confusing and combining at least two different situations or possibly just totally making things up about Hill, as I don’t think a single thing you said is accurate. Maybe circle back and educate yourself on it a bit, because that’s a borderline nonsensical recounting of what happened.

Maybe educate yourself.

Just go to Grok and type in "explain trevor bauer situation with Hill woman".

Never charged, paid no money and the only one convicted was her. She still owes Bauer $309K for defamation. But you continue to be the expert. The other women in Cleveland's case got no charges brought either. In fact the one woman is still going to trial for fraud and extortion. " One of these women, Darcy Esemonu, was indicted in Arizona in March 2024 on two felony counts, one for fraud involving Bauer and one for theft by extortion. The civil lawsuits related to her allegations were put on hold pending the outcome of her criminal trial, which was scheduled for June 2025 but has been delayed multiple times."

[Finger Cookin]

"Go to Grok". Man STFU

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by heep223

I hope that due to this case young hockey players will think twice about how to treat women and that they can avoid these complicated situations by acting like an adult.

But my gut tells me it’s a fool’s hope

I hope your gut is wrong.

I expect that there are a number of players that get involved in things through peer pressure that will now think twice about this type of behaviour.

These are decent kids that wouldn't normally think about this type of behaviour.

These are the ones that may be changed from this.

[Party Elephant]

"Educate yourself" followed immediately by "go to Grok" Jesus effing christ

[Bingo]

I've never used Grok, but isn't that just AI assisted google search essentially?

Not sure why using AI search to look up anything is being summarily dismissed by a few.

Or am I missing something?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Isn’t Grok a crazy right wing Musk thing? Not sure it’s a place I’d go to learn about anything.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I've never used Grok, but isn't that just AI assisted google search essentially?

Not sure why using AI search to look up anything is being summarily dismissed by a few.

Or am I missing something?

Musk had Grok reprogrammed to avoid a bunch of Google/research because it kept pointing out and criticizing him. It now seems to heavily favour alt right stuff to the point it has become pretty anti-Semitic with neo nazi leanings.

It’s not exactly a legitimate google AI resource any longer:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner...nazi-1.7589728

[dustygoon]

Quotes CBC to criticize Grok.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Quotes CBC to criticize Grok.

What was incorrect in the story? Was the CBC's source wrong?

[Bingo]

is there a right wing or nazi angle to searching rape allegations?

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Quotes CBC to criticize Grok.

I did it on purpose for folks like you. If you’ve got a little energy, you can google grok and anti-Semitic and pick whatever link you want.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

is there a right wing or nazi angle to searching rape allegations?

No… but it’s kind of funny for someone to say educate yourself and then point to a source who’s owner has intentionally limited its source material.

[GioforPM]

TBF, I missed the nazi thing, but Grok on Twitter seems to be back to normal (i.e. it it freely emits info critical of the right/Trump/Musk).

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

No… but it’s kind of funny for someone to say educate yourself and then point to a source who’s owner has intentionally limited its source material.

I think there is bias in a lot of media.

Not sure it applies to rape charges and old rape cases though. That's just literally googling regardless of what tool you use.

[Saqe]

Grok or any other AI is fine for information search. You can't find answers to anything that has to do with values though.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

is there a right wing or nazi angle to searching rape allegations?

I'd rather not find out. But sure, both sides this ####. Un####ing believable.

[White Out 403]

I think if someone I knew was a non ironic consumer of rebel news id refuse to have them in my life without a 2nd thought. its truly such garbage content.