Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

What argument is that?

If Rick ever said "These guys sexually assaulted a woman" then yeah there is a case to be made.
But, he's not an idiot, he's a professional journalist.
Everything I've seen has been him reporting facts.

Suff like:
A complaint was filed.
Hockey Canada investigated.
Hockey Canada paid a settlement.
Allegations have been made.

Those aren't opinions, they aren't up for dispute. You absolutely cannot sue someone for reporting facts.

You can once you kill freedom of the press. Which would be a disaster on its own.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by questionmotives

Ban me. The victim shaming in this thread is ####ing embarrasing.

#### the boys. Sexual assault, you ####ing losers.

Shame on this website.

My impression is there is a very small fraction of people celebrating this.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

My impression is there is a very small fraction of people celebrating this.

Yeah but they exist.

Tilly every one.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The second video was taken early in the morning after the other players had left and McLeod and EM had had a shower. McLeod was trying to get her to leave so he could get some sleep before the golf tournament, and EM testified that the way he rushed her out upset her. She also testified he wasn’t very helpful when she went back to look for her ring. So at that point, she wasn’t being prevented from leaving.

The whole ring thing and returning to the room to look for it was one of the things that was weird as well. It the original police report she said it was her grandmother's ring which then you might be able to justify why she might go back to the scene where she was raped and just wanted to get away. But then during the trial, it was mentioned that it wasn't her grandmother's ring but cheap costume jewelry. She denied saying it was ever her grandmother's ring and didn't know why that was in the original report.

Just one more thing that the judge had to think about when considering whether or not her statements were reliable.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by questionmotives

Ban me. The victim shaming in this thread is ####ing embarrasing.

#### the boys. Sexual assault, you ####ing losers.

Shame on this website.

Careful now, a certain poster is gonna come along and tell you that this sort of behaviour is why he's more pro-rape than he used to be...

Thankfully he is in the minority.


I share your disgust with those that are celebrating this like it's some sort of victory, but there are a lot less of them than there are those of us with empathy. Block those who are outing themselves and move on.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Careful now, a certain poster is gonna come along and tell you that this sort of behaviour is why he's more pro-rape than he used to be...

Thankfully he is in the minority.


I share your disgust with those that are celebrating this like it's some sort of victory, but there are a lot less of them than there are those of us with empathy. Block those who are outing themselves and move on.

Or fight em'.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Thousands of rapists are convicted a year. They don’t have a free pass.

There is no easy answer. But we know what societies where accusations of serious crimes easily lead to convictions look like, and it’s worse than what our legal system yields. The burden of proof for serious crimes is high for a reason.

Thousands? How many in a he said she said scenario, with no corroborating evidence?

https://rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/stat...ustice-system/

Less than half (43%) of sexual assault incidents reported to police resulted in a charge being laid; of these, half (49%) proceeded to court; of which just over half (55%) led to a conviction; of which just over half (56%) were sentenced to custody in a correctional centre.

Only one in five (21%) cases of sexual assaults reported to police in Canada results with a trial.

Only one in nine (11.5%) cases of sexual assaults reported to police in Canada results with a conviction.

Only one in fifteen (6.5%) cases of sexual assaults reported to police in Canada results with the perpetrator being sentenced with jail time.

I sadly learned in MeToo that at least half the women I know have been sexually assaulted.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Thousands of rapists are convicted a year. They don’t have a free pass.



There is no easy answer. But we know what societies where accusations of serious crimes easily lead to convictions look like, and it’s worse than what our legal system yields. The burden of proof for serious crimes is high for a reason.

#### you are a loeer.

[Goriders]

Watched the lawyer press conference clips from both sides. What a nightmare the whole situation was for everyone involved.

Per my previous comment a lot of bad decision making that night on the part of all parties involved ruined a lot of lives. Hopefully others learn from it.

[questionmotives]

MOD EDIT: Removed insulting post.

[EN FUEGO]

Not that it's surprises me (just like the verdict), but reading the attitudes of many on this forum makes me relieved I do not have a daughter. I honestly feel bad for some of you and your wives/blow up dolls/etc.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by questionmotives

####ing loser.

Do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion beyond telling people to #### off?

If you don’t why don’t you take your own advice.

[questionmotives]

Your're the ####ing ###### that victim blamed and are obviously a complete clown.

Meet ya on 17th...

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by troutman

Thousands? How many in a he said she said scenario, with no corroborating evidence?

https://rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/stat...ustice-system/

Isn’t that exactly the point, though? Where testimonies of an alleged perpetrator and the alleged victim cannot be reconciled, and where there is no basis for believing one witness’s testimony over another’s, in an open, democratic, law-based society, it is essential that the prosecution provides strong evidence beyond the testimony of the victim. Otherwise, any of us could be charged and convicted of sexually assaulting someone else, even if we had never met them, just based on their testimony. Of course, that’s not what happened in this case, and I can understand the anger at the acquittals. In my opinion, the things that everyone agrees happened were at the very minimum abusive and misogynistic. But the Crown couldn’t prove that they were non-consensual. It would be far worse if the prosecution could get convictions without adequate evidence.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Isn’t that exactly the point, though? Where testimonies of an alleged perpetrator and the alleged victim cannot be reconciled, and where there is no basis for believing one witness’s testimony over another’s, in an open, democratic, law-based society, it is essential that the prosecution provides strong evidence beyond the testimony of the victim. Otherwise, any of us could be charged and convicted of sexually assaulting someone else, even if we had never met them, just based on their testimony. Of course, that’s not what happened in this case, and I can understand the anger at the acquittals. In my opinion, the things that everyone agrees happened were at the very minimum abusive and misogynistic. At the same time, it would be far worse if the prosecution could get convictions without adequate evidence.

Stick to goaltending, which I'm sure your're also terrible at.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I think his reporting effectively ended these players careers and the public pressure from the reporting got the crown to re-open the case and prosecute. An argument can be made.

Suing people is not that difficult. I bet the players lawyer's have looked into this. What comes out of it? Not sure. More well-versed lawyers on the board can advise.

That's not grounds for a lawsuit.
You would have to demonstrate that he slandered them or reported factually incorrect things. Do you have evidence he did that?

An argument can be made I suppose. But it's a poor one.

[White Out 403]

are the mods going to step in or is one unhinged lunatic going to be allowed to keep trying to turn this in to a dumpster fire?

[questionmotives]

Unhunged means wanting justice for sexual assault, here for it.

#### right off.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by questionmotives

Unhunged means wanting justice for sexual assault, here for it.

#### right off.

Your anger seems misplaced.

[questionmotives]

No, it is perfectly placed.

Fuciing goof.